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Today’s Football 2022/23 Season

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Nymzee said:
Rat club has rat fans, shock.

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Gives a whole new meaning to what fans think 'servant of the club' means. COVID normalized this sort of thing, but this is different IMO. It's literally the club saying, "We had a deal, but flushed half a billion on some really bad buys, so we need you to take less than you're worth on the open market to fix our past mistakes."

It shouldn't be surprising when players nearing the end of their careers who owe everything to the club say, "Sure, maintaining the relationship for the rest of my life is worth," and young players brought in from elsewhere say, "If I do that, I am totally screwing myself for the rest of my career in wage negotiations."
 

jazzy said:
They won't but what a mess at Barca.

They are a train wreck of a club - and I thought we were badly run.

It's morally indefensible to have players take significant wage deferals and still sign players for huge fees and wages.
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They took a huge gamble in the thinking that because of the fact they are Barcelona that La Liga would just go along with it and ignore the small print. Thing is though that the rules in football and in particular the rules in Spain have changed and for once La Liga are actually standing up to them.
 
jazzy said:
They won't but what a mess at Barca.

They are a train wreck of a club - and I thought we were badly run.

It's morally indefensible to have players take significant wage deferals and still sign players for huge fees and wages.
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It can be defended on the grounds of, "It's what we need to be competitive this season." It happens in American professional sports all the time. Players sign contracts that are essentially "buy now, pay later" deals because of the weird ways in which salary caps in the NFL and NBA work.

The difference is that a player of de Jong's stature would have a no-trade clause that prohibits how Barcelona is trying to strongarm him, and as a result his agents would be able to negotiate additional total compensation as part and parcel of restructuring a deal. They would never have to agree to a pay cut. Lesser players in the NFL can be pushed around in interesting ways. This does not happen in the NBA, where (almost all) contracts are fully guaranteed.

This is a really shabby way to treat a top player, and it should give agents pause in dealing with Barcelona in the future. It puts them in a position to have to pay over the odds to sign top players going forward, which does not mesh well with a strategy of mortgaging the future by selling interests in future revenue streams. Agents do not like it when contracts are not worth the paper they are printed on. It's literally their job to prevent that from happening.
 
Martin Alvito said:
It can be defended on the grounds of, "It's what we need to be competitive this season." It happens in American professional sports all the time. Players sign contracts that are essentially "buy now, pay later" deals because of the weird ways in which salary caps in the NFL and NBA work.

The difference is that a player of de Jong's stature would have a no-trade clause that prohibits how Barcelona is trying to strongarm him, and as a result his agents would be able to negotiate additional total compensation as part and parcel of restructuring a deal. They would never have to agree to a pay cut. Lesser players in the NFL can be pushed around in interesting ways. This does not happen in the NBA, where (almost all) contracts are fully guaranteed.

This is a really shabby way to treat a top player, and it should give agents pause in dealing with Barcelona in the future. It puts them in a position to have to pay over the odds to sign top players going forward, which does not mesh well with a strategy of mortgaging the future by selling interests in future revenue streams. Agents do not like it when contracts are not worth the paper they are printed on. It's literally their job to prevent that from happening.
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Regardless of what happens in the States or the notion that the strategy is necessary to be competitive it is still indefensible in my opinion.
 

jazzy said:
Regardless of what happens in the States or the notion that the strategy is necessary to be competitive it is still indefensible in my opinion.
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The facts of this specific case are indefensible for the reasons I outlined. You can make an argument for deferred compensation when both parties benefit. I'm sure Bobby Bonilla still laughs his way to the bank every July 1 (and will until 2035).
 
Martin Alvito said:
It can be defended on the grounds of, "It's what we need to be competitive this season." It happens in American professional sports all the time. Players sign contracts that are essentially "buy now, pay later" deals because of the weird ways in which salary caps in the NFL and NBA work.

The difference is that a player of de Jong's stature would have a no-trade clause that prohibits how Barcelona is trying to strongarm him, and as a result his agents would be able to negotiate additional total compensation as part and parcel of restructuring a deal. They would never have to agree to a pay cut. Lesser players in the NFL can be pushed around in interesting ways. This does not happen in the NBA, where (almost all) contracts are fully guaranteed.

This is a really shabby way to treat a top player, and it should give agents pause in dealing with Barcelona in the future. It puts them in a position to have to pay over the odds to sign top players going forward, which does not mesh well with a strategy of mortgaging the future by selling interests in future revenue streams. Agents do not like it when contracts are not worth the paper they are printed on. It's literally their job to prevent that from happening.
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No CBA to protect the players in this instance like there is in American sports either
 
Mikey_Fitzgerald said:
No CBA to protect the players in this instance like there is in American sports either
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Also a good point. I would expect agents to start telling their players that if they don't want this to ever happen to them, they need to start working towards that end. Google suggests that Dutch footballers have a pretty robust CBA.
 

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