Today's Football - 2023/2024 Season

[ToffeeTim]

To be honest… the interpretation of the rules these days hasn’t left the ref with much choice but to award the penalty. Was it soft ? Of course….. but there is contact (albeit very little) so he has to give it.

I've seen considerably more contact not given many many times. And not just against Everton. Against lots of non big 6 teams.

For example, the United keeper wiped out a wolves player earlier in the year and it wasnt given but now we're being told that if there is contact its a pen.

The game is in a total mess. The interpretation of the rules depends on the team involved.

 

[Kurt.]

This idea that contact = a penalty is one of the most pernicious in modern football - it does not exist in the laws of the game; it has to be a foul.

That was not a foul.

Technically mate it was …. Not saying I agree with it like

 

[Goat]

This idea that contact = a penalty is one of the most pernicious in modern football - it does not exist in the laws of the game; it has to be a foul.

That was not a foul.

A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences against an opponent in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:

• charges
• jumps at
• kicks or attempts to kick
• pushes
• strikes or attempts to strike (including head-butt)
• tackles or challenges
• trips or attempts to trip

If an offence involves contact it is penalised by a direct free kick or penalty kick.

• Careless is when a player shows a lack of attention or consideration when making a challenge or acts without precaution. No disciplinary sanction is needed
• Reckless is when a player acts with disregard to the danger to, or consequences for, an opponent and must be cautioned
• Using excessive force is when a player exceeds the necessary use of force and endangers the safety of an opponent and must be sent off

A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences:

• a handball offence (except for the goalkeeper within their penalty area)
• holds an opponent
• impedes an opponent with contact
• bites or spits at someone on the team lists or a match official
• throws an object at the ball, opponent or match official, or makes contact with the ball with a held object

The rules do not state foul.

• trips or attempts to trip

It was a trip inside the area, thus its a penalty kick.

 

[ToffeeTim]

By giving penalties to players who go down like that, referees are inadvertently encouraging diving.

That's the biggest problem with all this. The officials need to stop rewarding people who throw themselves to the ground with soft decisions.

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

This idea that contact = a penalty is one of the most pernicious in modern football - it does not exist in the laws of the game; it has to be a foul.

That was not a foul.

Beto was deemed not a foul v palace...with var

 

[tommytowne]

This idea that contact = a penalty is one of the most pernicious in modern football - it does not exist in the laws of the game; it has to be a foul.

That was not a foul.

Correct.
I bet that he wouldn't have given a free kick for that in the centre of the pitch

 

[tsubaki]

A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences against an opponent in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:

• charges
• jumps at
• kicks or attempts to kick
• pushes
• strikes or attempts to strike (including head-butt)
• tackles or challenges
• trips or attempts to trip

If an offence involves contact it is penalised by a direct free kick or penalty kick.

• Careless is when a player shows a lack of attention or consideration when making a challenge or acts without precaution. No disciplinary sanction is needed
• Reckless is when a player acts with disregard to the danger to, or consequences for, an opponent and must be cautioned
• Using excessive force is when a player exceeds the necessary use of force and endangers the safety of an opponent and must be sent off

A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences:

• a handball offence (except for the goalkeeper within their penalty area)
• holds an opponent
• impedes an opponent with contact
• bites or spits at someone on the team lists or a match official
• throws an object at the ball, opponent or match official, or makes contact with the ball with a held object

The rules do not state foul.

• trips or attempts to trip

It was a trip inside the area, thus its a penalty kick.

It was not a trip. For it to be a trip, the opponent (Shaw I think) would have moved his foot towards' Fernandes, and Fernandes would have had to be affected (tripped) by it. Neither of those things happened; the rat saw Shaw's leg, made sure his foot hit it and threw himself to the ground.

 

[tsubaki]

Correct.
I bet that he wouldn't have given a free kick for that in the centre of the pitch

he wouldn't have dived in the centre of the pitch, he'd have just ran past him

 

[the golden visionary]

diving, cheating rat

Gotta be Fernández

 

[Goat]

It was not a trip. For it to be a trip, the opponent (Shaw I think) would have moved his foot towards' Fernandes, and Fernandes would have had to be affected (tripped) by it. Neither of those things happened; the rat saw Shaw's leg, made sure his foot hit it and threw himself to the ground.

There is contact there, according to the rules, its a Penalty.

Law 12 - Fouls and Misconduct

IFAB Laws of the Game

www.thefa.com

 

[tsubaki]

There is contact there, according to the rules, its a Penalty.

Law 12 - Fouls and Misconduct

IFAB Laws of the Game

www.thefa.com

it isn't - is he tripped? clearly not

 

[Goat]

it isn't - is he tripped? clearly not

We wont agree mate.

Its a soft peno and Bruno is a diving rat, but according to the rules of the game there is contact and its a peno, the problem is the consistency and the interpretation of the rules.

Ian Wright and Roy Keane have both just said they think its a pen.

And Martinez.

 

[duncs pigeon]

Why did he hold his shin when the defender caught his foot?

 

[ToffeeTim]

We wont agree mate.

Its a soft peno and Bruno is a diving rat, but according to the rules of the game there is contact and its a peno, the problem is the consistency and the interpretation of the rules.

Ian Wright and Roy Keane have both just said they think its a pen.

And Martinez.

We had a player grabbed last Thursday night. I'm not saying it should definitely have been a penalty because it was also soft, but there was a lot more contact than we see given a lot of the time.

Why does the contact argument only get brought up some of the time and for some clubs?

Contact clearly does not equal a penalty or we wouldn't be still waiting on our first penalty of the year after 5 months of football.

 

[Goat]

We had a player grabbed last Thursday night. I'm not saying it should definitely have been a penalty because it was also soft, but there was a lot more contact than we see given a lot of the time.

Why does the contact argument only get brought up some of the time. Contact clearly does not equal a penalty or we wouldn't be still waiting on our first penalty of the year after 5 months of football.

Beto should have been awarded a Penalty according to the rules.