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2018/19 Tom Davies

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Is snides better at this stage as the option. A fit mccarthy is miles ahead. Still think there is a decent player in there. Needs to be loaned and get a season or 2 to learn. Prob will have ti wait till next season for loan
 

I’d be straight on the blower to that idiot Howe at Bournemouth.

I think like @Eggs has said in the past, you dont really want to be loaning 1st team players as that usually means the writing is on the wall for them and if they dont do well their fees will drop.

Dont think he will go on loan...i think Marco will keep trying with him until the summer and then make a decision to stick or twist...
 
Just devoid of confidence, he'll be able to hear the grumblings and groans from the crowd, which obviously will help him regain his confidence. 2 years of Koeman and Allardyce playing him here there and everywhere in the worst midfield in decades and we wonder why he's struggling.

He has to try and regroup but it's not easy because us lot demand perfection every minute of every game, make no bones Goodison when it's like it is now just piles pressure on all of them and they find it difficult to rally, it's been like this since Moyes left, well maybe after Bobs first season. It's a tough crowd.
 
Just devoid of confidence, he'll be able to hear the grumblings and groans from the crowd, which obviously will help him regain his confidence. 2 years of Koeman and Allardyce playing him here there and everywhere in the worst midfield in decades and we wonder why he's struggling.

He has to try and regroup but it's not easy because us lot demand perfection every minute of every game, make no bones Goodison when it's like it is now just piles pressure on all of them and they find it difficult to rally, it's been like this since Moyes left, well maybe after Bobs first season. It's a tough crowd.


Agree it a tough ground. Its been like that at since the 70s tbh and will never change. This is why we need to buy players with a strong mentality who relishes in that environment rather then players who hide and crumble.
 
Just devoid of confidence, he'll be able to hear the grumblings and groans from the crowd, which obviously will help him regain his confidence. 2 years of Koeman and Allardyce playing him here there and everywhere in the worst midfield in decades and we wonder why he's struggling.

He has to try and regroup but it's not easy because us lot demand perfection every minute of every game, make no bones Goodison when it's like it is now just piles pressure on all of them and they find it difficult to rally, it's been like this since Moyes left, well maybe after Bobs first season. It's a tough crowd.

More excuses. Wonder how many poor performances it will take for people to admit that he’s terrible.
 

More excuses. Wonder how many poor performances it will take for people to admit that he’s terrible.

I will admit he's terrible when I feel like there's no room for improvement and he's hit a ceiling. I will not slate him at 20years old and struggling for confidence. He was bad yesterday no doubt, doesn't mean I have to hate his guts and wish him playing in the national league or find a better career as a skateboarder, horrible gits some people, social media has given a voice to a generation of keyboard cowards who love the fact they can be nasty as anything and nobody knows who they are. i prefer to be a bit more supportive.
 
I will admit he's terrible when I feel like there's no room for improvement and he's hit a ceiling. I will not slate him at 20years old and struggling for confidence. He was bad yesterday no doubt, doesn't mean I have to hate his guts and wish him playing in the national league or find a better career as a skateboarder, horrible gits some people, social media has given a voice to a generation of keyboard cowards who love the fact they can be nasty as anything and nobody knows who they are. i prefer to be a bit more supportive.
I see what you’re saying, and there’s definitely some truth in it. I think we also have to acknowledge though, that he’s not just devoid of confidence. In all seriousness he’s only ever played particularly well for us about half a dozen times, the last of which was now very nearly 2 years ago. Other than that I’d say he’s ranged from OK to downright dreadful, and not in the same way that someone like Barkley could be like that, where you could see all the ability but wondered if he’d ever be able to put it all together, more that you come away wondering just what it is he’s supposed to be good at.

I do agree that some people go overboard, and that he’s young enough to improve. I have to admit though that I just haven’t seen anything to suggest to me he’s going to suddenly blossom. I hope I’m wrong though.
 
I didn't see the match yesterday and it seems clear he struggled somewhat. It's a big opportunity missed by him. I wonder if Silva pulling him at half time was meant as a bit of a kick up the backside for him really?

Tom's a difficult one as different things can be true at the same time. The first is, given his age and experience he is well ahead of the majority of his contemporaries. This is still the case. They all rave about the at Bournemouth (who's a year older) yet I'm not sure I see any better player than Davies in there. However, compared to his peers Tom does appear to be flatlining a little bit and if he doesn't keep improving people will catch him up and overtake him.

He's had (for me) better games this season. I actually think it may be his most effective and consistent season. He's getting on the ball more, using it better, and breaking play up more often. These are all key core skills for the role he has been given. A lot of the magic has gone from his game though, which he had in his first year in English football. I think a big part of that is confidence though. That being said we do have to trial the idea that his first season may have been the anomaly as opposed to whats followed?

While all of the above is positive, there are many difficulties. While I don't believe he is flatlining I don't think he is kicking on at the speed people would want. Part of that is an issue of people's perceptions, particularly Evertonian's that are not realistic with young players. However even if they were, I sense he would be falling short of the improvement needed. A bit like Ross, there is a limit on the time that will be afforded him (and indeed Jack Rodwell before him).

The concern I'd have of him, is that as a young player, he was not markedly better than Liam Walsh, Ledson, Connolly or Joe Williams. All of those lads are earning a decent living from the game in the championship and I'd bet all at some point will play in the PL, but towards the bottom rungs of it. However we aspire to be a top 6 team and none of them are at that level, or in all likelihood ever will be. The progression of the club has also likely accelerated beyond where Tom was at. He made his debut around the time Moshiri took over, so there is a certain synergy to this.

He was more physically developed than most and got off to a flyer, with confidence high. When the confidence has fallen and he's regressed to his normal level, and potentially other players have caught him physically there is more than a chance that we are now seeing a lad in and about the level of the 4 lads mentioned above. A very decent pro, will make a fortune out of the game, but perhaps not quite the very elite level?

I'm not sure on him. This season there have been improvements, but performances like Saturday will really hurt. There comes a point with any young player where it is not attitude thats the problem but ability. I don't believe he's not trying, or doesn't want to make it, but it may be he's just not quite capable?

I don't know. We will see. He will likely have another 18 months to make the right impression, but time is certainly running out.
 
I didn't see the match yesterday and it seems clear he struggled somewhat. It's a big opportunity missed by him. I wonder if Silva pulling him at half time was meant as a bit of a kick up the backside for him really?

Tom's a difficult one as different things can be true at the same time. The first is, given his age and experience he is well ahead of the majority of his contemporaries. This is still the case. They all rave about the at Bournemouth (who's a year older) yet I'm not sure I see any better player than Davies in there. However, compared to his peers Tom does appear to be flatlining a little bit and if he doesn't keep improving people will catch him up and overtake him.

He's had (for me) better games this season. I actually think it may be his most effective and consistent season. He's getting on the ball more, using it better, and breaking play up more often. These are all key core skills for the role he has been given. A lot of the magic has gone from his game though, which he had in his first year in English football. I think a big part of that is confidence though. That being said we do have to trial the idea that his first season may have been the anomaly as opposed to whats followed?

While all of the above is positive, there are many difficulties. While I don't believe he is flatlining I don't think he is kicking on at the speed people would want. Part of that is an issue of people's perceptions, particularly Evertonian's that are not realistic with young players. However even if they were, I sense he would be falling short of the improvement needed. A bit like Ross, there is a limit on the time that will be afforded him (and indeed Jack Rodwell before him).

The concern I'd have of him, is that as a young player, he was not markedly better than Liam Walsh, Ledson, Connolly or Joe Williams. All of those lads are earning a decent living from the game in the championship and I'd bet all at some point will play in the PL, but towards the bottom rungs of it. However we aspire to be a top 6 team and none of them are at that level, or in all likelihood ever will be. The progression of the club has also likely accelerated beyond where Tom was at. He made his debut around the time Moshiri took over, so there is a certain synergy to this.

He was more physically developed than most and got off to a flyer, with confidence high. When the confidence has fallen and he's regressed to his normal level, and potentially other players have caught him physically there is more than a chance that we are now seeing a lad in and about the level of the 4 lads mentioned above. A very decent pro, will make a fortune out of the game, but perhaps not quite the very elite level?

I'm not sure on him. This season there have been improvements, but performances like Saturday will really hurt. There comes a point with any young player where it is not attitude thats the problem but ability. I don't believe he's not trying, or doesn't want to make it, but it may be he's just not quite capable?

I don't know. We will see. He will likely have another 18 months to make the right impression, but time is certainly running out.

I think Silva has tried everything so far...

Praised him
Played him
Given him the captaincy
Rested him
Played him again
Hauled him off

I think hes got till season end now...

If someone came in with a Solanke type offer of £15mil i think hed be off...
 

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