2021/22 Tom Davies

[Stephenlloyd]

Think we keep hold of him what have we got to lose, he's had to play for us at times when the ground has been toxic and he was a kid bloody ell can be hard .I would give the lad a chance nothing to lose imo

He’s only got a year left and he’s 24 this summer. And we’ve got a lot to lose basically football matches. He needs to be moved on, he’s not good enough. I’d shift him, Gomes, Gbamin and delph out of contract
Amd buy 2 new midfielders in the summer.

That will hopefully give us a good 4 that can be relied upon. And bring Onyango or Warrington as 5th choice youngster

 

[Stephenlloyd]

Slightly tongue in cheek but I didn't put that across too well.

A better way of putting it that certain ways of playing suit players and other's don't. The way we played yesterday gave Gomes a lot of options on the ball and the fact we looked interested in taking the game to the opposition took the pressure off with players knowing that one mistake doesn't doom us to a 0-1 defeat. Unlike certain other managers who have come in and made it abundantly clear that they don't trust the majority of players to venture forward and the best they can hope for is a 0-0 or 1-0.

In the longer term if Lampard's methods suit Davies then we'll hopefully see some of that potential realised.

But what potential does he actually have. You’re just guessing he has potential to release.

I’d say he’s reached his potential at nearly 24 Amd 150 games for the club. And that potential is a championship footballer

You can’t blame managers because most young players will play under loads of different managers and coaches these days. And some still manage to become great players.

While of course great coaches can improve players more than others, I’d say it’s only 10%
The rest is down to the player, if he has the hunger, desire, the belief That he can become a great player.

I get the feeling Tom would happily stay at Everton as a bit part player for the rest of his career. And means he can live in his local city, while earning a great living at his football club.

 

[ClausThomsen]

But what potential does he actually have. You’re just guessing he has potential to release.

I’d say he’s reached his potential at nearly 24 Amd 150 games for the club. And that potential is a championship footballer

You can’t blame managers because most young players will play under loads of different managers and coaches these days. And some still manage to become great players.

While of course great coaches can improve players more than others, I’d say it’s only 10%
The rest is down to the player, if he has the hunger, desire, the belief That he can become a great player.

I get the feeling Tom would happily stay at Everton as a bit part player for the rest of his career. And means he can live in his local city, while earning a great living at his football club.

A lot of players go from looking very underwhelming at his age and become very good footballers in their late 20's. Not to say that will be the case or than Davies is guaranteed to develop but rather that 24 isn't always the peak of a footballers development.

Plenty of young players do play under different managers but playing bit parts under so many managers who themselves are relentlessly underperforming at a club that seems to underperform at several levels? And of course I'm guessing he has potential to release. He looks like he's gone backwards as a player since his breakthrough, he represented England at all youth levels.....that's a signifier of unreleased potential I'd guess.

It's as much as a guess as saying at 24 players don't improve and even if they do great coaches can only improve players by 10%. In fact there are aspects of that guess that are demonstrably incorrect.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Davies is a good player. Not shock we're having by far our worst season when he has hardly played.

 

[Carlito]

If Everton let his contract expire, he'll be retired within two years of leaving.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

Davies is a good player. Not shock we're having by far our worst season when he has hardly played.

He’s played when we’ve finished 12th and 10th
So I’m not sure. He would make the world of difference.

And the reason we’re struggling this season. Is one the manager, who’s now gone . Two our best striker has missed most of the season. Our best CB the same. Richarlison and Doucoure have missed half the season.

It’s not down to our 4th/5th choice midfielder

 

[Stephenlloyd]

A lot of players go from looking very underwhelming at his age and become very good footballers in their late 20's. Not to say that will be the case or than Davies is guaranteed to develop but rather that 24 isn't always the peak of a footballers development.

Plenty of young players do play under different managers but playing bit parts under so many managers who themselves are relentlessly underperforming at a club that seems to underperform at several levels? And of course I'm guessing he has potential to release. He looks like he's gone backwards as a player since his breakthrough, he represented England at all youth levels.....that's a signifier of unreleased potential I'd guess.

It's as much as a guess as saying at 24 players don't improve and even if they do great coaches can only improve players by 10%. In fact there are aspects of that guess that are demonstrably incorrect.

I’d be interested to know which players at 24 and having not improved much since breaking through. And with 150 games under the belts.
4yrs later are all of a sudden top class, playing for teams challenging for trophies and playing regular for their country.

The issue I’ve always had with him. Is he does not have one great trait. He not a brilliant defensive player, he’s not strong or aggressive, he’s not a brilliant tackler who gets all over the pitch. He can’t pass well. And he’s not a great attacking player, who gets goals and assists.

Take someone like Grealish. He was very raw and inconsistent at 20, but he had parts to his game that stood out, that maybe coaches had something to work with. Look at Gordon, most fans 12 months ago, most would have said he will never be a premier league player. He still has some way to go, but he’s kicked on in 6 months and looks a player that will just get better and better, obviously he couid hit a wall and not get better. Time will tell

I think had davies cost 20mil 4yrs ago, he definitely would not have the backing from a number of fans, like he does. Because he’s homegrown, a blue, looks a nice lad and hands coffee’s out to the homeless

 

[Martin Alvito]

The issue I’ve always had with him. Is he does not have one great trait. He not a brilliant defensive player, he’s not strong or aggressive, he’s not a brilliant tackler who gets all over the pitch. He can’t pass well. And he’s not a great attacking player, who gets goals and assists.

This has been the issue for years: no development trajectory.

He's fine as one of the last members of the squad. He generally does fine against low-end resistance, and can give other mids a rest here and there. He ticks a homegrown box, if that becomes an issue.

At the right wages, we're not going to get better squad filler coming in on a free and comparable wages. Thinking that we're going to have someone good enough to start every game for a midtable club as the last outfield member of the squad isn't realistic.

He's not the problem. Being thin enough in midfield that we were starting him in every game once injuries set in was a problem.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

This has been the issue for years: no development trajectory.

He's fine as one of the last members of the squad. He generally does fine against low-end resistance, and can give other mids a rest here and there. He ticks a homegrown box, if that becomes an issue.

At the right wages, we're not going to get better squad filler coming in on a free and comparable wages. Thinking that we're going to have someone good enough to start every game for a midtable club as the last outfield member of the squad isn't realistic.

He's not the problem. Being thin enough in midfield that we were starting him in every game once injuries set in was a problem.

Well he’s a big big problem imo
Because when we get injuries and he’s forced to play 20 games it’s an issue and Gomes as well

But on Davies he’s had his chances, over 4yrs and and he still can’t get in a team that finishes mid table. He’s on a bigger wage than Onyango or warrington, maybe it’s time to give a youngster his spot next season.

We haven’t got one world class midfielder and we can’t attract them at the minute, but we can surely attract better than davies and Gomes.

We could maybe get 10mil for Davies, which could buy is a 30mil midfielder. Frank Lampard, money Amd the premier league. Will attract players

We need 2 new CM’s so we have a good 4 with. Allan and Doucoure

 

[T LEAFE]

Tom will be like having a new signing next season

 

[Zeitgeist]

I can't see him getting played ever, he is too stiff

 

[ClausThomsen]

I’d be interested to know which players at 24 and having not improved much since breaking through. And with 150 games under the belts.
4yrs later are all of a sudden top class, playing for teams challenging for trophies and playing regular for their country.

The issue I’ve always had with him. Is he does not have one great trait. He not a brilliant defensive player, he’s not strong or aggressive, he’s not a brilliant tackler who gets all over the pitch. He can’t pass well. And he’s not a great attacking player, who gets goals and assists.

Take someone like Grealish. He was very raw and inconsistent at 20, but he had parts to his game that stood out, that maybe coaches had something to work with. Look at Gordon, most fans 12 months ago, most would have said he will never be a premier league player. He still has some way to go, but he’s kicked on in 6 months and looks a player that will just get better and better, obviously he couid hit a wall and not get better. Time will tell

I think had davies cost 20mil 4yrs ago, he definitely would not have the backing from a number of fans, like he does. Because he’s homegrown, a blue, looks a nice lad and hands coffee’s out to the homeless

I've never argued he'd be top class or an England regular. Merely that he is a player who could improve over the next couple of years with some consistency at the club. And your other point about a make-believe scenario is pretty much irrelevant. If players Van Der Beek or Delle Alli had dismally flopped or being out of form for 2 years at a club like Burnley or Watford those signings wouldn't have been greeted as positively as they are.

But since you ask Jamie Vardy was struggling so badly at 25 that he was roundly written off as a non-league level striker who shouldn't be anywhere near the Championship. He had to be talked into remaining in professional football he was struggling so much. Went on to win a PL, FA Cup and a few caps for England. I don't think Tom Davies will ever hit those levels but he could potentially become a useful squad player.

Late bloomers who look more suited to lower leagues until their late 20's aren't a massive rarity in football. It's not particularly common but does happen.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

Tom will be like having a new signing next season

Yes the homeless will be over the moon he can skate again

 

[chicoazul]

He’s a target for impotent Everton dars who wish to get angry at young, happy, talented scouse Everton players who can still maintain an erection.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

I've never argued he'd be top class or an England regular. Merely that he is a player who could improve over the next couple of years with some consistency at the club. And your other point about a make-believe scenario is pretty much irrelevant. If players Van Der Beek or Delle Alli had dismally flopped or being out of form for 2 years at a club like Burnley or Watford those signings wouldn't have been greeted as positively as they are.

But since you ask Jamie Vardy was struggling so badly at 25 that he was roundly written off as a non-league level striker who shouldn't be anywhere near the Championship. He had to be talked into remaining in professional football he was struggling so much. Went on to win a PL, FA Cup and a few caps for England. I don't think Tom Davies will ever hit those levels but he could potentially become a useful squad player.

Late bloomers who look more suited to lower leagues until their late 20's aren't a massive rarity in football. It's not particularly common but does happen.

Vardy is a totally different scenario. He obviously fell through the net. Was probably doing a 9 to 5 job. Training at night and playing at weekends. He obviously had the hunger, desire and self belief to succeed.

Tom has had 6 yrs training every day at a premier league club, with probably amazing facilities and with some good coaches and top managers.

Tom has a year left on his deal this summer, so do we commit another 5yrs till he’s 29 and maybe 15mil in wages. In the hope he may come good or slightly improves so he becomes 4th choice and not 5th choice . He’s been given more chances as a homegrown youngster, than any other , in our history. Nearly 150yrs.