2021/22 Tom Davies

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Stephenlloyd said:
Journeyman player who I’d imagine most clubs he turned up at goodison with, we should have been beating. And that will cause a bit of impatience in the ground. Add to the fact we’ve been watching dross for years. And it all makes sense.

Did we turn that quick, under moyes’s teams. More fans would turn on the manager in my experience, for sometimes not making quicker substitutions. Or defensive ones, like the famous spurs game when he got booed at the end.
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I don’t think you’re willing to look in the mirror and take accountability mate.
 

Stephenlloyd said:
No I said name me a player who’s had 6yrs around the first team of a premier league club or championship. And over 100 games, who had shown no really improvement. Who then kicked on to be a lot better 3/4yrs later.

You can’t compare Vardy 17 to 23 football education to Tom Davies’s it’s not even close.

If you knew how transfers work then you would know what I’m taking about. Davies 10mil is 10mil profit on the clubs books. We buy a 35mil. Midfielder on a 5yr deal. That 35mil is spread of the 5yr contract. 7mil a season. Add his wage say 60k a week. 10mil and that complies with the league profit and sustainability rules.

Yes we will need to find that 10mil the next year. Which again shouldn’t be a problem, players out contact, players sold etc.

So that’s how selling Tom for 10mil should easily improve our starting 11
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I didn't know transfer fees and how they are paid are always dependent on the length of a players contract. The Dele Alli deal seems to point away from that and would suggest that the selling club doesn't have to accept the fee spread out over the term of the contract and is free to negotiate how, when and if payments are made. I'd assume there's some wriggle room in the book-keeping but didn't know it was quite as lenient as you seem to make out.

Your 60k p/w wages are also an eye-opener. I assumed, incorrectly it seems, that £35M players tend to be on a bit more than that as do a lot of free transfers such as Bernard and Rodriguez. I even thought £8M signings such as Delph might be on a bit more than that though of course I'm not privy to that info. Loanees such as DVDB are reported to be on a lot more than that even though he was a £35M player. That could just be sensationalist paper talk or maybe the reported £5M in potential add-ons ramps up the wage around 60%.

I've also heard things about players signing fees, loyalty payments, appearance and performance related bonuses such as goals or clean sheets, payments related to league positions or competition progress and probably other things I can't think of right now. They're probably all covered in that 60k per week fixed deal that £35M midfielders get. Does this £35M midfielder guarantee improvement in the way that past £25M - £50M purchases have improved the squad?

I now very much look forward to the selling of fixed sum £10M Tom Davies and the easy improvement it brings.
Do we get the £10M up front or does that depend on the contract he signs?
And would there be any payoff involved to settle the contract or is it just a fixed £10M with no incurred costs straight into the books?

Sorry to ask so many questions but as you say I don't understand how transfers work in the way you clearly do. You might have to break it down a bit more but I won't hold it against you if you don't want to dumb it down for the sake of an internet forum where some seem to get quite rattled about the 4th or 5th choice central midfielder at a club two points clear of the relegation zone.
 

ClausThomsen said:
I didn't know transfer fees and how they are paid are always dependent on the length of a players contract. The Dele Alli deal seems to point away from that and would suggest that the selling club doesn't have to accept the fee spread out over the term of the contract and is free to negotiate how, when and if payments are made. I'd assume there's some wriggle room in the book-keeping but didn't know it was quite as lenient as you seem to make out.

Your 60k p/w wages are also an eye-opener. I assumed, incorrectly it seems, that £35M players tend to be on a bit more than that as do a lot of free transfers such as Bernard and Rodriguez. I even thought £8M signings such as Delph might be on a bit more than that though of course I'm not privy to that info. Loanees such as DVDB are reported to be on a lot more than that even though he was a £35M player. That could just be sensationalist paper talk or maybe the reported £5M in potential add-ons ramps up the wage around 60%.

I've also heard things about players signing fees, loyalty payments, appearance and performance related bonuses such as goals or clean sheets, payments related to league positions or competition progress and probably other things I can't think of right now. They're probably all covered in that 60k per week fixed deal that £35M midfielders get. Does this £35M midfielder guarantee improvement in the way that past £25M - £50M purchases have improved the squad?

I now very much look forward to the selling of fixed sum £10M Tom Davies and the easy improvement it brings.
Do we get the £10M up front or does that depend on the contract he signs?
And would there be any payoff involved to settle the contract or is it just a fixed £10M with no incurred costs straight into the books?

Sorry to ask so many questions but as you say I don't understand how transfers work in the way you clearly do. You might have to break it down a bit more but I won't hold it against you if you don't want to dumb it down for the sake of an internet forum where some seem to get quite rattled about the 4th or 5th choice central midfielder at a club two points clear of the relegation zone.
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I’m no expert, it’s only bits I’ve read and heard from people on here and podcasts. Who know better than me.

Yes that player maybe be on 100k a week, but it’s still only another 2mil we’d need to find.

From what I’ve heard. Is the 10mil fee from the buying club for davies. Or any sale of
any player the profit goes straight into the accounts. Even if the club pays 5mil up front and 5mil spread over 3 yrs.
like if we paid 20mil upfront for the said 35mil midfielder, that has nothing to do with how it works on the clubs books. And for ffp and profit and sustainability.

Like when siggurdsson, delph and Tosun are out of contract in the summer we will likely see 30mil come of the accounts. Sig= 45mil over 5 years and say 100k a week = 14mil. It’s like there was talk of extending his deal a year, this time last season. Which would take his last year of 9mi to now be 2yrs at 4:5 mil, saving the club 4.5mil on the yearly accounts. Im
Sure there’s a lot more to it, like you say bonuses, agent fees.

It’s like if we sold DCL and Richarlison for say 140mil it could go a long way. Wound 80mil need be swallowed up by the club, because of the loses? Maybe that’s way over my head. But 60mil could still go a long way, the way transfers work.
 

Stephenlloyd said:
Desperation stakes looking for old posts lol
Hope you have a nice weekend and don’t slash your wrists or beat the mrs up, because you can’t get it up
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chicoazul said:
Shocked at the endorsement for domestic violence, but from our pretend fans I shouldn’t be shocked.

Fraser Hornby l o l. Knows a player though.
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It's nice outside.

Oh, and wummery back to Twitter please.
 
Football isn't rocket science and footballers don't have to be Einstein's to be any good, Tom is Tom, and I think given a length of time working with Frank and his team, they can get him into shape, providing he follows their instructions and sticks to the plan. He's a good stop gap until someone better is brought in or someone else pushes up from the U23's.
 

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