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Tom Davies

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Barnfred 55 said:
Some questions Dave.

What is your interpretation of a very good player? Who are you comparing him to when you say this?
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A very good player would be someone like Barkley. He is very good but I dont think will ever be a great. But I dont think Davies is on Barkley's level. If Everton have massive ambitions and back them up with cash, I dont think Davies will be part of the future. If, as is more likely the case, we have ambition with no real backing for them I can see Davies establishing himself here.
Barnfred 55 said:
What exactly do you mean when you say that he doesn't excel in any one attribute?. How would you describe excel?. Give me an example, using a player of Tom's age, who excels at a particular attribute.
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In his own words: "There are parts of my game I am good at but I don’t think I’m fantastic at any one thing – just good at most things. I feel I have to keep on improving".

I think he's solid at closing down, showing for the ball and recycling it. He's got a good forward pass in him. But he can maybe be drawn to the ball a little bit out of exuberance and that could make him a liability.

Who his age has better attributes? I dont know. I cant see the point of that request.


Barnfred 55 said:
You said in a previous post. You have watched him a few times now and have decided, with your obvious experience in these matters, that you don't see a great player in the making. By great do you mean the likes of Messi, Ronaldo, Cruyff, Maradona, Pele? If so, I don't think anyone would disagree with you.
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No, not those. They are world class. Great player I'd have as a Rooney or even some still a bit off that level. Davies isn't going to be in that bracket. Not imo.

Barnfred 55 said:
In another post, you also compare him to the likes of Livermoore and Davis. Really??. Name me a player who is 18 years of age who is playing to the same standard as Davies in the premier league at the moment. Spread that Europe wide if you like.
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No, I was responding to that comparison by another poster.
 
davek said:
A very good player would be someone like Barkley. He is very good but I dont think will ever be a great. But I dont think Davies is on Barkley's level. If Everton have massive ambitions and back them up with cash, I dont think Davies will be part of the future. If, as is more likely the case, we have ambition with no real backing for them I can see Davies establishing himself here.


In his own words: "There are parts of my game I am good at but I don’t think I’m fantastic at any one thing – just good at most things. I feel I have to keep on improving".

I think he's solid at closing down, showing for the ball and recycling it. He's got a good forward pass in him. But he can maybe be drawn to the ball a little bit out of exuberance and that could make him a liability.

Who his age has better attributes? I dont know. I cant see the point of that request.




No, not those. They are world class. Great player I'd have as a Rooney or even some still a bit off that level. Davies isn't going to be in that bracket. Not imo.



No, I was responding to that comparison by another poster.
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1). We are talking potential here. Not current ability. I believe that Davies definitely has the ability to be as good as Ross is now. Different types of player but he still has the potential to be very good. Ross has the potential to be a great player. I'm not sure whether he'll reach that pinnacle but the potential is there nonetheless.

2). You are taking the words of an 18 year old and treating them as if they came out of a 26 year old player in his prime. Of course he's saying he's not fantastic at anything yet. If he said any different you'd have absolutely castigated him. He's 18 and needs to improve all aspects of his game and there's absolutely no reason to believe he can't do this. He appears to have a fantastic attitude. This was the reason I made reference to other players his age. You conveniently forget/ignore the fact he is still an inexperienced teenager. I see nobody around in the premier of the same age as good as him.

3). Fair enough. I don't think he'll be as good as Rooney in his prime either.

4). The point is, in the post I'm referring to, you agreed that Livermore/Davis is the sort of level you expect him to reach. Think the words you actually used were "comparisons to Livermore and Davis are apt". You even said he wouldn't be as good as Henderson. Even most RS supporters hate him.

On Sunday he probably had his first below par performance in the first team in one of our hardest games of the season. Even then there were 5/6 more senior players who had worse games than Tom. On the strength of that and "other" performances that only you must have seen, you have decided that he will only have a career at Everton if we continued to plod along as a mid table premier league club. My prediction is, if that happens, I think you'll find he moves to a bigger club before he's 22. I also predict he'd win his first England cap by the time he's 20.
 
Barnfred 55 said:
1). We are talking potential here. Not current ability. I believe that Davies definitely has the ability to be as good as Ross is now. Different types of player but he still has the potential to be very good. Ross has the potential to be a great player. I'm not sure whether he'll reach that pinnacle but the potential is there nonetheless.

2). You are taking the words of an 18 year old and treating them as if they came out of a 26 year old player in his prime. Of course he's saying he's not fantastic at anything yet. If he said any different you'd have absolutely castigated him. He's 18 and needs to improve all aspects of his game and there's absolutely no reason to believe he can't do this. He appears to have a fantastic attitude. This was the reason I made reference to other players his age. You conveniently forget/ignore the fact he is still an inexperienced teenager. I see nobody around in the premier of the same age as good as him.

3). Fair enough. I don't think he'll be as good as Rooney in his prime either.

4). The point is, in the post I'm referring to, you agreed that Livermore/Davis is the sort of level you expect him to reach. Think the words you actually used were "comparisons to Livermore and Davis are apt". You even said he wouldn't be as good as Henderson. Even most RS supporters hate him.

On Sunday he probably had his first below par performance in the first team in one of our hardest games of the season. Even then there were 5/6 more senior players who had worse games than Tom. On the strength of that and "other" performances that only you must have seen, you have decided that he will only have a career at Everton if we continued to plod along as a mid table premier league club. My prediction is, if that happens, I think you'll find he moves to a bigger club before he's 22. I also predict he'd win his first England cap by the time he's 20.
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*searches for the 'like' feature.
 
I like how he almost instinctively knows where everyone is on the pitch, it's like he has radar. Before he gets the ball he seems to know what he's doing with it.

Hasn't have played some cracking balls. Probably my favourite;

 

mightymoyes said:
we have fans and pundits of other clubs comparing him to bryan robson but some of our own 'fans' dont think this 18 yrs old kid is gonna be good enough cos hes not rooney. they're acutally serious too. some people shouldnt be allowed to watch football.
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He's not going to be great like Rooney, or very good like Barkley, not even decent but unspectacular like Henderson. But the good news is comparisons to average midfielders like Livermore and Davis are apt, and he can look forward to a career at Everton provided we stay in mid table obscurity.

Couldn't make it up could you:)
 

Maybe it is a gift that some have and others, like myself, don't. The ability to tell just how good a young player is going to be , even though he is in the infancy of his career and is still only eighteen.

We can all see that physically he is ready for top class football and will get stronger as he ages further.

What is more difficult to see is how he develops his game from an intelligence point of view.
Will be always be a players that is physical and hardworking only , or as he develops and gets experience will he bring positioning, craft and intelligence to add to the strengths he already has.

I can't answer that, but it appears others can.
 
Barnfred 55 said:
1). We are talking potential here. Not current ability. I believe that Davies definitely has the ability to be as good as Ross is now. Different types of player but he still has the potential to be very good. Ross has the potential to be a great player. I'm not sure whether he'll reach that pinnacle but the potential is there nonetheless.

2). You are taking the words of an 18 year old and treating them as if they came out of a 26 year old player in his prime. Of course he's saying he's not fantastic at anything yet. If he said any different you'd have absolutely castigated him. He's 18 and needs to improve all aspects of his game and there's absolutely no reason to believe he can't do this. He appears to have a fantastic attitude. This was the reason I made reference to other players his age. You conveniently forget/ignore the fact he is still an inexperienced teenager. I see nobody around in the premier of the same age as good as him.

3). Fair enough. I don't think he'll be as good as Rooney in his prime either.

4). The point is, in the post I'm referring to, you agreed that Livermore/Davis is the sort of level you expect him to reach. Think the words you actually used were "comparisons to Livermore and Davis are apt". You even said he wouldn't be as good as Henderson. Even most RS supporters hate him.

On Sunday he probably had his first below par performance in the first team in one of our hardest games of the season. Even then there were 5/6 more senior players who had worse games than Tom. On the strength of that and "other" performances that only you must have seen, you have decided that he will only have a career at Everton if we continued to plod along as a mid table premier league club. My prediction is, if that happens, I think you'll find he moves to a bigger club before he's 22. I also predict he'd win his first England cap by the time he's 20.
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I can only tell you what I see in front of me now. Rooney was a phenomena, so I'll leave that one side as you'd have to have been Stevie Wonder not to see his future potential even at 15. But Barkley wasn't as obvious. That said, as soon as I saw Barkley play for the first time I could see the control he had over the ball and the vision to make good use of it. Only time since then with an Everton youngster I thought that straight off was Keiran Dowell. He has a lot more vision and ability than Davies. Davies is all energy levels and honest endeavour. He's hit the jackpot with Koeman's arrival as he values those qualities. Sometimes it's all about timing. Under Martinez probably Dowell would have been the one to step up and Davies would have had to wait.
 
davek said:
I can only tell you what I see in front of me now. Rooney was a phenomena, so I'll leave that one side as you'd have to have been Stevie Wonder not to see his future potential even at 15. But Barkley wasn't as obvious. That said, as soon as I saw Barkley play for the first time I could see the control he had over the ball and the vision to make good use of it. Only time since then with an Everton youngster I thought that straight off was Keiran Dowell. He has a lot more vision and ability than Davies. Davies is all energy levels and honest endeavour. He's hit the jackpot with Koeman's arrival as he values those qualities. Sometimes it's all about timing. Under Martinez probably Dowell would have been the one to step up and Davies would have had to wait.
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martinez gave davies his debut with dowell nowhere to be seen until he was given the boot.
 

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