I don't like it. It will increase the bias towards the big teams. Not reduce it.
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EFC78
Player Valuation: £25m
How typical that Brighton's goal was ruled out for offside only to be overturned when "common sense" prevailed after a discussion between the 2 officials. And then when it's the other way round and there is a chance they could change their mind in our favour, they don't.
I'm like this, I can't trust the referees to make the right decision even if they have a million angles and replays.
Strikinglyhandsome1
Player Valuation: £5m
Only needed one view for the handball. May have been handy.
Pun intended?
Strikinglyhandsome1
Player Valuation: £5m
Aye. No arm in a pun every now and then.
I went out on a limb there. A bit like us against Millwall.
Chris O'Connor
Player Valuation: £35m
The officiating in the premier league atm isn't at the best level, in fact it's falling way short of it. There must be grave doubts as to just how competent they'll be in utilising VAR, it will take practice for the most advantageous way to be found and get the best possible results from it, in fact you can see this current crop of refs failing miserably.
I actually think it may help as a guide where players go down and are sometimes comically booked after being clattered or pens given when they've just clearly dived.
Andre Marriner and the blatant penalty on Sterling just the other week the latest high profile howler in the league prior to our own massive injustice in the cup, The truth is poor decisions are so commonplace and frequent within almost all matches that players are developing strategies such as diving at any touch to get pens which leads to lots of cheating too.Staying on your feet is heavily penalised.
Referees and line officials need help to at least cut out the real clangers such as very clear offsides, handballs, sending the wrong man off, clear diving or not as the case may be, having to dive to get any pen atm is just another byproduct of refereeing incompetence for me.
VAR will improve matters and hopefully cut our the howlers but it is by no means 100% accurate and shouldn't be expected to be. Crucially It will improve the percentage of correct decisions, not get the close ones right all the time
While atm it's being used in selected FA Cup matches but not currently in the premier league, concurrent trials are being run in some premier league matches, presumably best practice will be sought and what works best incorporated into any future guidelines. It may also come up with recommendations where its found wanting, putting the process on the screens at the ground etc.
Close decisions could still be incorrectly given and penalties disputed but howlers eradicated.
The match will still need to be refereed properly, VAR won't compensate for some of the substandard officials we have today. VAR isn't a panacea, it won't cure all and can't turn an abysmal ref into a good one.
Its a new system operated by these same referees, so it's fully open to human error too, and therefore clear decisions will still be totally missed, but don't blame VAR, blame the people using it.
Human error is something the current crop of referees seem to excel at.
I actually think it may help as a guide where players go down and are sometimes comically booked after being clattered or pens given when they've just clearly dived.
Andre Marriner and the blatant penalty on Sterling just the other week the latest high profile howler in the league prior to our own massive injustice in the cup, The truth is poor decisions are so commonplace and frequent within almost all matches that players are developing strategies such as diving at any touch to get pens which leads to lots of cheating too.Staying on your feet is heavily penalised.
Referees and line officials need help to at least cut out the real clangers such as very clear offsides, handballs, sending the wrong man off, clear diving or not as the case may be, having to dive to get any pen atm is just another byproduct of refereeing incompetence for me.
VAR will improve matters and hopefully cut our the howlers but it is by no means 100% accurate and shouldn't be expected to be. Crucially It will improve the percentage of correct decisions, not get the close ones right all the time
While atm it's being used in selected FA Cup matches but not currently in the premier league, concurrent trials are being run in some premier league matches, presumably best practice will be sought and what works best incorporated into any future guidelines. It may also come up with recommendations where its found wanting, putting the process on the screens at the ground etc.
Close decisions could still be incorrectly given and penalties disputed but howlers eradicated.
The match will still need to be refereed properly, VAR won't compensate for some of the substandard officials we have today. VAR isn't a panacea, it won't cure all and can't turn an abysmal ref into a good one.
Its a new system operated by these same referees, so it's fully open to human error too, and therefore clear decisions will still be totally missed, but don't blame VAR, blame the people using it.
Human error is something the current crop of referees seem to excel at.
Chris O'Connor
Player Valuation: £35m
Former ref Keith Hackett writes....
It was an amazing decision to deploy the video assistant referee on a selective basis in the FA Cup this season.
One can only assume that the Football Association – and the Professional Game Match Officials Limited – are continuing their experimentation. Even so, to have it in some games and not others is unfair, and that was demonstrated over the weekend. In particular at Millwall, where Michael Oliver, without having recourse to VAR, allowed the home side’s equaliser against Everton, even though Jake Cooper clearly handled the ball into the net.
The goal should have been disallowed and Cooper cautioned for unsporting behaviour. The benefit of VAR – particularly on these tight calls – is that a review would have helped the process. We assume that what we are looking at on television is what the referee could see and, in reality, that is not the case. Oliver’s view was blocked and, therefore, he was exposed to an inaccurate decision. But you would never suggest to a referee that he should simply guess.
After the goal was awarded, Everton manager Marco Silva was frantically pointing to the stadium’s big screen, but neither a referee nor a fourth officials can use that to help his decision-making process. In fact, the regulations are quite clear that controversial incidents are not supposed to be replayed on the big screen but club officials have seen a goal and automatically decided to replay it to the fans.
Silva’s fury will have only increased on Sunday night after a penalty awarded to Sheffield Wednesday at Chelsea was overturned with the help of VAR. So why was it in use at Chelsea and not at Millwall? Simple. The system was deployed only at Premier League grounds, including Selhurst Park on Sunday afternoon when both penalty decisions were shown to be correct.
There were other games – such as Portsmouth v Queens Park Rangers, where referee Gavin Ward had to deal with a mass confrontation – that have left supporters bemused, wondering if VAR is here or not. It can be a disadvantage for a club if, for example, an act of violent conduct takes place off the ball and, because VAR is not present, the offence is not detected. It strikes me that the FA is nowhere near far enough down the line in terms of its preparation: it has a limited number of officials capable of taking on the VAR role.
If the FA is going to operate VAR in the FA Cup, all the games should be covered. It is pretty evident the FA did not have enough trained match officials (and there might be an equipment problem) to carry out VAR throughout the fourth round. In that case, it should have introduced it in the fifth round, when it might have had sufficient equipment and personnel.
It has to plan this better because – soon enough – every game in a cup competition and the Premier League is going to use VAR.
It was an amazing decision to deploy the video assistant referee on a selective basis in the FA Cup this season.
One can only assume that the Football Association – and the Professional Game Match Officials Limited – are continuing their experimentation. Even so, to have it in some games and not others is unfair, and that was demonstrated over the weekend. In particular at Millwall, where Michael Oliver, without having recourse to VAR, allowed the home side’s equaliser against Everton, even though Jake Cooper clearly handled the ball into the net.
The goal should have been disallowed and Cooper cautioned for unsporting behaviour. The benefit of VAR – particularly on these tight calls – is that a review would have helped the process. We assume that what we are looking at on television is what the referee could see and, in reality, that is not the case. Oliver’s view was blocked and, therefore, he was exposed to an inaccurate decision. But you would never suggest to a referee that he should simply guess.
After the goal was awarded, Everton manager Marco Silva was frantically pointing to the stadium’s big screen, but neither a referee nor a fourth officials can use that to help his decision-making process. In fact, the regulations are quite clear that controversial incidents are not supposed to be replayed on the big screen but club officials have seen a goal and automatically decided to replay it to the fans.
Silva’s fury will have only increased on Sunday night after a penalty awarded to Sheffield Wednesday at Chelsea was overturned with the help of VAR. So why was it in use at Chelsea and not at Millwall? Simple. The system was deployed only at Premier League grounds, including Selhurst Park on Sunday afternoon when both penalty decisions were shown to be correct.
There were other games – such as Portsmouth v Queens Park Rangers, where referee Gavin Ward had to deal with a mass confrontation – that have left supporters bemused, wondering if VAR is here or not. It can be a disadvantage for a club if, for example, an act of violent conduct takes place off the ball and, because VAR is not present, the offence is not detected. It strikes me that the FA is nowhere near far enough down the line in terms of its preparation: it has a limited number of officials capable of taking on the VAR role.
If the FA is going to operate VAR in the FA Cup, all the games should be covered. It is pretty evident the FA did not have enough trained match officials (and there might be an equipment problem) to carry out VAR throughout the fourth round. In that case, it should have introduced it in the fifth round, when it might have had sufficient equipment and personnel.
It has to plan this better because – soon enough – every game in a cup competition and the Premier League is going to use VAR.
Strikinglyhandsome1
Player Valuation: £5m
Some good stuff, Chris. I’m a fan. I’m buying a half Everton, half VAR scarf.
It's happened several times in rugby, and every time it has caused an incorrect decision to be overturned. Nothing naughty about that at all - it's doing what it should be doing.
In NFL, the coaches look at replays on the sidelines before deciding whether to challenge the officials' call. They throw a red flag to indicate they wish to challenge, then the officials take a look... overwhelmingly, the challenges are correct and the original call is overturned.
The simple fact is, VAR would have overturned Millwall's second and third goals. Whether or not we deserved to win, given how poorly we performed, is a totally separate question.... but there is no way in hell either of those goals should have been given.
Plain Speaking
Player Valuation: £500k
I have noticed at 6 nations rugby the TV broadcast authority can expose or choose not to replay a certain angle from a contentious decision.
There was a blatant forward pass in one game that was seemed deliberately "not replayed" from the angle that revealed it was clearly forward by the home nation broadcaster, probably because that would have led to the try being correctly disallowed. The try stood and proved crucial. You could argue the home nation had won with the help from it's local broadcaster?
You can imagine Sky etc abusing it's position to get the results it wants, for instance, zooming in and replaying player contact at corners for some teams but not showing others in the same way.
Strikinglyhandsome1
Player Valuation: £5m
Yep that’s exactly it. Outside interference from a host broadcaster. What next - a guy in the crowd saying look at a recording on my phone.
So after last night's embarrassing / puzzling omissions, who still thinks VAR will benefit anyone other than the top clubs ?
Frang
Player Valuation: £70m
the game is still being run by bent officials, VAR or not the big clubs will still get all the rubs
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