Vaccines and footballers

[LinekersLegs]

Nobody, in any profession, should be made to have any medical procedure, including vaccinations, against their wishes.

For people to actually have to leave professions and/or jobs, due to not having the jab, is a disgrace imo.

If you want the vaccine you get it, if you don't, for whatever reason that's personal to you, then you don't - it's that simple.

No need for the vitriol and derogatory comments either.

Pretty standard here in the US for vaccines to be mandatory for a lot of healthcare workers (so they don’t transmit flu etc to their vulnerable patients), for the military (so an outbreak doesn’t impact the readiness) and for school-kids to attend public schools.

Got a long history
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1775–1782_North_American_smallpox_epidemic

 

[NathDogg]

Pretty standard here in the US for vaccines to be mandatory for a lot of healthcare workers (so they don’t transmit flu etc to their vulnerable patients), for the military (so an outbreak doesn’t impact the readiness) and for school-kids to attend public schools.

Got a long history
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1775–1782_North_American_smallpox_epidemic

Oh I know it's there and you guys have had it for a while across a number of sectors.

However, I still don't agree with mandatory vaccination, or "punishments" for individuals who work in sectors and don't want a jab.

I just think its a personal choice at the end of the day, and people have the right to not have it, without fear of the vitriol, abuse, censure or stigma.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Oh I know it's there and you guys have had it for a while across a number of sectors.

However, I still don't agree with mandatory vaccination, or "punishments" for individuals who work in sectors and don't want a jab.

I just think its a personal choice at the end of the day, and people have the right to not have it, without fear of the vitriol, abuse, censure or stigma.

We’ll have to disagree mate, particularly for healthcare workers, as it is a decision that doesn’t just affect an individual’s health.

 

[COYBL25]

Aren't you saying if the players don't get a vaccine, then the club's tell them they don't play?

Don’t do it to yourself mate.

He’ll grind you down until you’re begging for mercy.

 

[NathDogg]

We’ll have to disagree mate, particularly for healthcare workers, as it is a decision that doesn’t just affect an individual’s health.

I take you're point - If it's a long standing requirement about getting a job and you know you need to get whatever vaccinations then I understand that, and the individual can make the choice accordingly whether to go into that career or not.

What I really didn't care for, and where I have a problem with the mandatory vaccination, was the treatment of the care home workers, all of whom put continually their lives on the line at the start and throughout covid pandemic, to look after the most sick and vulnerable people in our society, all without a viable vaccine, without a thought for their own safety.

Once the vaccines were developed these same heroes were given a choice - get the jab or dont and leave their profession and livlihoods - those who didn't want the jab, for whatever reason they might have had, didn't matter - they were used, abused then thrown on the scrapheap without a second thought. Disgusting.

 

[tommytowne]

Probably mentioned already but I hear Klipperty says almost 100% of his squad are vaccinated.

 

[LinekersLegs]

I take you're point - If it's a long standing requirement about getting a job and you know you need to get whatever vaccinations then I understand that, and the individual can make the choice accordingly whether to go into that career or not.

What I really didn't care for, and where I have a problem with the mandatory vaccination, was the treatment of the care home workers, all of whom put continually their lives on the line at the start and throughout covid pandemic, to look after the most sick and vulnerable people in our society, all without a viable vaccine, without a thought for their own safety.

Once the vaccines were developed these same heroes were given a choice - get the jab or dont and leave their profession and livlihoods - those who didn't want the jab, for whatever reason they might have had, didn't matter - they were used, abused then thrown on the scrapheap without a second thought. Disgusting.

Sorry, we’ll have to disagree again, I don’t think it was an easy decision for the employers and I’d hope they did appreciate the work that those did in the months previously. However ultimately patient safety takes precedence and the bald reality is that an unvaccinated carer is a greater danger to spread what could be a fatal illness to those they tend than a vaccinated one.

 

[Drico]

However, I still don't agree with mandatory vaccination, or "punishments" for individuals who work in sectors and don't want a jab.

I just think its a personal choice at the end of the day, and people have the right to not have it, without fear of the vitriol, abuse, censure or stigma.

Nobody should be forced to take a vaccine. They are not mandatory. People are free to make an informed choice to weigh up the consequences of any decision. And others are free to weigh up the consequences TO THEM of your free choice. Those consequences may include being unable to work with vulnerable people, such as in care homes or hospitals, or other societal restrictions where your choice increases other people's risk. Essentially, you are free to make your choice. But freedom also means accepting the consequences of your freely expressed choice. You are not free to pass on a deadly virus to vulnerable people if you care for them. Well, you may be - but society is entitled to protect itself from that choice too.

So, yes, it is a personal choice. But losing your job in a care home is not a punishment. It is a logical, utterly reasonable consequence of your free choice. Besides, if you are that principled about your choice, you'll live with it. Why should the vulnerable person take all of the negative consequences of YOUR choice? It's all a bit like Brexit this, where the British government seemed to be of the opinion that Ireland needed to take all of the negative consequences of Britain's decision while Britain would carry on as normal. People seem to want all the freedom but none of its consequences, responsibilities, and obligations.

 

[davek]

Aren't you saying if the players don't get a vaccine, then the club's tell them they don't play?

I'm saying that there should be no threat involved. The clubs cant compel take up of vaccines. But the club can hold their own position on the issue.

 

[davek]

Football - like it or not - has a special place in the cultural life of the nation. It is very influential.

IMO Southgate (a vociferous proponent of vaccine take up) needs to speak up with regard to England.

That would be leadership.

Too mnay club managers indulging players on this. Klopp may be a nobhead and have an ulterior motive for stating what he said, but if others nudged their players toward vaccination it'd have at least some effect on some younger supporters to get vaccinated too.

 

[duncs pigeon]

Probably mentioned already but I hear Klipperty says almost 100% of his squad are vaccinated.

What with?

 

[davek]

The PFA is a disgrace in all this too. They should be educating these players as to their responsibilities to the community; they're quick enough to shovel millions into their own and the players' pockets taken from communities who pay their wages, ultimately.

If almost all the NBA and NFL players - in an individualistic nation like the US - are jabbed there's no excuses here for football.

The number of managers talking utter BS about individual choice and a players' prerogative is alarming.

I'd like to hear Benitez pipe up about this.

 

[tommytowne]

What with?

Precisely

 

[ChesterBlue]

Honestly I think everyone (unless you’re someone who is actually allergic to the vaccine’s contents) should get the vaccine. End of the day it isn’t only yourself you are protecting.

 

[Goat]

Nobody should be forced to take a vaccine. They are not mandatory. People are free to make an informed choice to weigh up the consequences of any decision. And others are free to weigh up the consequences TO THEM of your free choice. Those consequences may include being unable to work with vulnerable people, such as in care homes or hospitals, or other societal restrictions where your choice increases other people's risk. Essentially, you are free to make your choice. But freedom also means accepting the consequences of your freely expressed choice. You are not free to pass on a deadly virus to vulnerable people if you care for them. Well, you may be - but society is entitled to protect itself from that choice too.

So, yes, it is a personal choice. But losing your job in a care home is not a punishment. It is a logical, utterly reasonable consequence of your free choice. Besides, if you are that principled about your choice, you'll live with it. Why should the vulnerable person take all of the negative consequences of YOUR choice? It's all a bit like Brexit this, where the British government seemed to be of the opinion that Ireland needed to take all of the negative consequences of Britain's decision while Britain would carry on as normal. People seem to want all the freedom but none of its consequences, responsibilities, and obligations.

Spot on.

Your body, your choice.
Their job, their choice.

People have a right to choose if they are vaccinated and employees have the right to choose if they employ unvaccinated people.