Vaccines and footballers

[Toffe3m4n]

This is so stupid.

.. and dangerous

 

[BNJ1878]

They shouldn't be able to force people to take it, but they can 'encourage' it by making day to day life a lot more awkward.

Public transport? Vaccinated

Cinema? Vaccinated

Pub? Vaccinated

Restaurant? Vaccinated

Football? Vaccinated (even with Evertons poor track record there must be a way to link ST to vaccine records)

Oh, and if you get seriously ill from Covid and are unvaccinated forget about NHS treatment you utter dolt. You have been banging on about your immune system being your vaccine, crack on.

 

[WA Toffee]

If we just lock up all the anti vax nutjobs, or chuck them all on a deserted island somewhere, then everyone left will have had the jab voluntarily.

Pretty simple really

 

[Sarnia Kevin]

Why does everyone assume that if someone hasn't been vaccinated they are automatically infected with the virus or, more importantly, if someone has been vaccinated they aren't infected? One of modern life's little mysteries.

Before you all pile in saying I'm literally a mass murderer for even suggesting this, I've had the two vaccinations for what they're worth.

 

[tsubaki]

Why does everyone assume that if someone hasn't been vaccinated they are automatically infected with the virus or, more importantly, if someone has been vaccinated they aren't infected? One of modern life's little mysteries.

Before you all pile in saying I'm literally a mass murderer for even suggesting this, I've had the two vaccinations for what they're worth.

It is more because of why they aren’t vaccinated, at least for me.

If a player came out and gave an honest account of why he or she didn’t want it, based on their own examination and advice then fair enough.

However the vast majority of refuseniks in society are doing it solely because of lies - obvious lies - they’ve been told.

 

[Sarnia Kevin]

It is more because of why they aren’t vaccinated, at least for me.

If a player came out and gave an honest account of why he or she didn’t want it, based on their own examination and advice then fair enough.

However the vast majority of refuseniks in society are doing it solely because of lies - obvious lies - they’ve been told.

I get that. I also understand why some people are unsure about the vaccines. What I don't understand is why anyone would actively campaign against vaccines, just because they don't want to be vaccinated themselves. The "it's my body" argument works both ways.

Some ex-BBC reporter is claiming that some footballers and other celebs are paying £100s for fake "proof of vaccination". It was on Twatter so may not be true lollol

 

[Terrarian]

not sure on the footballers part though

 

[Bluestar]

I agree - but I'm also against compulsory stuff.

There's no tacit vaccine passport (which there shouldn't be) but me and the missus have to "apply to get a letter to say we've both been double jabbed" before we can go on a cruise (that we've already paid for).

This is the way of a tory government- they slyly slink away from a vote-losing policy and don't make something mandatory because they get their cronies in the free market to do the dirty work for them. But the morons still vote for them, gleefully waving their Daily Mail subscriptions.

No compulsory stuff, but should be banned from hospitals, care homes public buildings etc.

 

[woomy]

It is more because of why they aren’t vaccinated, at least for me.

If a player came out and gave an honest account of why he or she didn’t want it, based on their own examination and advice then fair enough.

However the vast majority of refuseniks in society are doing it solely because of lies - obvious lies - they’ve been told.

I don't think anybody owes anybody else an explanation on their personal choice regarding the vaccine or any other medical issue they may have or come across.

Honestly. I don't think it is anybody's business.
Im just not a fan of this entiment that people have these days where they feel they need to know the ins and outs of everything about everybody.

 

[DOMNOLAN]

No compulsory stuff, but should be banned from hospitals, care homes public buildings etc.

So when will smokers and drinkers be denied care?

 

[DOMNOLAN]

They shouldn't be able to force people to take it, but they can 'encourage' it by making day to day life a lot more awkward.

Public transport? Vaccinated

Cinema? Vaccinated

Pub? Vaccinated

Restaurant? Vaccinated

Football? Vaccinated (even with Evertons poor track record there must be a way to link ST to vaccine records)

Oh, and if you get seriously ill from Covid and are unvaccinated forget about NHS treatment you utter dolt. You have been banging on about your immune system being your vaccine, crack on.

So you shouldn't pin them down and force them, but you should coerce them (still illegal btw), and restrict their rights. It's a medical treatment, their choice, whatever we think of it.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Why does everyone assume that if someone hasn't been vaccinated they are automatically infected with the virus or, more importantly, if someone has been vaccinated they aren't infected? One of modern life's little mysteries.

Before you all pile in saying I'm literally a mass murderer for even suggesting this, I've had the two vaccinations for what they're worth.

I don’t assume an unvaccinated person is infected nor do I assume that a vaccinated one isn’t and prior infection can also provide some immunity for both groups which complicates things further.

But the relative odds skew heavily one way

CDC study shows unvaccinated people are 29 times more likely to be hospitalized with Covid

The new CDC study also found that unvaccinated people were nearly five times more likely to be infected with Covid than vaccinated people.

www.cnbc.com

Relative risk means we compare the risks for COVID-19 infection, hospitalization, and death in unvaccinated people relative to vaccinated people. The boxes in the dashboard’s top line show the relative risk of infection (positive test), hospitalization, and death for unvaccinated people, compared with those who are fully vaccinated. For example, in the month leading up to August 26, unvaccinated people in King County were:

• 7 times more likely to test positive for COVID-19 than vaccinated people
• 49 times more likely to be hospitalized than vaccinated people
• 32 times more likely to die from COVID-19 than vaccinated people.

We look at relative risk because the number of people who are vaccinated is not the same as the number who are not fully vaccinated. The two groups are not the same size, so a raw count or percentage of breakthrough cases doesn’t tell us much about how one group’s risk compares with the other. By comparing the rates among vaccinated people with the rates among unvaccinated people, we see that the risks from COVID-19 are far higher if you are not fully vaccinated.

Plus if you are vaccinated even if you are infected you are less likely to transmit it

Vaccinated people are less likely to spread Covid, new research finds

British scientists examined how the Pfizer-BioNTech and the AstraZeneca vaccines affected the spread of the virus if a person had a breakthrough infection.

www.nbcnews.com

People who are vaccinated against Covid-19 are less likely to spread the virus even if they become infected, a new study finds, adding to a growing body of evidence that vaccines can reduce transmission of the delta variant.

British scientists at the University of Oxford examined national records of nearly 150,000 contacts that were traced from roughly 100,000 initial cases. The samples included people who were fully or partially vaccinated with either the Pfizer-BioNTech or the AstraZeneca vaccines, as well as people who were unvaccinated. The researchers then looked at how the vaccines affected the spread of the virus if a person had a breakthrough infection with either the alpha variant or the highly contagious delta variant.


Both vaccines reduced transmission, although they were more effective against the alpha variant compared to the delta variant. When infected with the delta variant, a given contact was 65 percent less likely to test positive if the person from whom the exposure occurred was fully vaccinated with two doses of the Pfizer vaccine. With AstraZeneca, a given contact was 36 percent less likely to test positive if the person from whom the exposure occurred was fully vaccinated.

 

[LinekersLegs]

So you shouldn't pin them down and force them, but you should coerce them (still illegal btw), and restrict their rights. It's a medical treatment, their choice, whatever we think of it.

At least here in the US it isn’t illegal and has a long history

Jacobson v. Massachusetts - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905), was a United States Supreme Courtcase in which the Court upheld the authority of states to enforce compulsory vaccinationlaws. The Court's decision articulated the view that individual liberty is not absolute and is subject to the police power of the state.

 

[Bluestar]

So you shouldn't pin them down and force them, but you should coerce them (still illegal btw), and restrict their rights. It's a medical treatment, their choice, whatever we think of it.

Yes exactly.

I am quite content that the anti vax, science denying, trump supporting antediluvian morons write themselves out of the human gene pool. That is indeed their choice. Let them die. However, they should not be able to spread the virus at will through their ignorance. In our society we have to accept many limitations on personal choices and freedoms for the greater good, speed limits, wearing seat belts, no drink driving, no smoking in pubs, bans on drug taking, limitations on what we can say or print. Our rules are multitudinous. If people don’t want a vaccine, that is fine, but why should others be forced against their will to mix with them? Why should frail at risk people in hospitals and care homes be put at mortal risk for someone else‘s choice?

I suffered the anti vaxers intimidating me when I went for my vaccine. An unpleasant experience I can tell you, and they definitely confirmed all my preconceptions.

 

[BNJ1878]

So you shouldn't pin them down and force them, but you should coerce them (still illegal btw), and restrict their rights. It's a medical treatment, their choice, whatever we think of it.

Oh I agree, it's their choice.

Nobody is forcing them to have a vaccine.

Life can be made rather awkward without it.

Up to them entirely.