VAR isn’t the issue, it’s the refs

[SerenityNigh]

The solution is bringing in foreign refs who aren’t crap like ours are

 

[Lineker]

This is like promotion/relegation in American soccer boards. The same old arguments for/against are raised every 3 months or so. No one will be changing their mind.

 

[Bilko]

Wrong calls by refs has always been part and parcel of our game, it still is in other divisions and the truth is, it's a far better system than anything technology can come up with. Ball over a goal line should be the only concession.

 

[chrismpw]

VAR decisions being made lightning fast and accurately in the Euros

Scrapping VAR isn’t the solution, we need to do something about the cabal of crap referees that infest British football

The technology is not the enemy

If it is the refs (which I agree) it can't be that they're crap. I can't accept that our ref eyes and decisions are innately worse than those on any other country- there's no reason for that.

I CAN accept that there's motivation for them and their establishment to be as corrupt as hell. Money, gambling influence, Sky choreographing drama, Sky protecting its brands for European appearances, greed - they're all rife in the game.

Add tovthat the British World class talent at closing ranks and covering up.

 

[ClausThomsen]

Not sure anyone can draw solid conclusions about how well VAR does or doesn't work in the Euros. There are 380 fixtures played in a PL season, there will be 51 played at the Euros. And the idea that refs in foreign leagues are generally better and VAR is better implemented is laughable. If you were living in Spain or Italy, watching their games every week and exposed to their football media in the same way it'd be just the same as here.

There have been calls made already at this tournament that would have provoked endless outrage and screams of corruption if they'd been in a PL match.

 

[PercyThePig]

This issue with the technology being referenced is that not every stadium has the relevant infrastructure for it to be in every game.

Can't imagine Bournemouth or Luton (as examples) meeting the requirements to implement the same style of VAR we are seeing at the Euros.

That said, I can't see the PL exactly pushing them to meet these requirements, as it means it loses it's chance to manipulate a game if needed.

 

[Rita_Poon]

So, this sensor in the ball then, how do they isolate it from the sensor in the ball the kid on the sideline is juggling with whilst recovering from in the stand?

And are we going to see comparative force/shock graphs of different balls hit with varying force across the tournament?

Still think a panel of judges would be a better fit for calling cards and penalties, similar to how Olympic boxing is scored.

 

[Raino85]

VAR decisions being made lightning fast and accurately in the Euros

Scrapping VAR isn’t the solution, we need to do something about the cabal of crap referees that infest British football

The technology is not the enemy

This might sound mad as its an international football tournament

But the jeopardy or the back lash of a wrong decision is far higher in the PL!
That's not me sticking up for the incompetent, sometimes borderline corrupt referees in the Premier League.

But when you have the high profile pundits (your Neville's, Carragher's, Jenas', Keane's, Murphy's) making the argument for or against a decision based on there club allegiance and practically brushing off any bad decisions made against a lesser club! (Think of the campaign Carragher went on after the disallowed Spurs goal vrs some of the decisions Wolves were up against),, or throw in your Klopps, Arteta's & Guardiola's being able to say whatever they want, acting like idiots on the touchline trying to gain any type of advantage!

Do you think if all this pantomime stopped, the referees could concentrate on refereeing instead of babysitting? Or worried about facing a public backlash from the Sky brigade?

 

[DualityNSNO]

Do you think if all this pantomime stopped, the referees could concentrate on refereeing instead of babysitting? Or worried about facing a public backlash from the Sky brigade?

Who are they babysitting? You want to end this quickly? Rules state punishment for most of those shenanigans - yellow and red cards. As they do for diving, for waving imaginary cards - all are yellows or reds, all aren't given ever, or so incredibly rare.

If the actual rules become the norm then we can focus on the refs themselves being inept.

Of course, they are the norm for some - like for example Sean Dyche got 3 yellows and served a touchline ban for complaining to the refs. Wonder how many times this has happened to much more vocal and animated managers, like Klopp, Guardiola, Arteta, Mourinho, SAF (back when)?

 

[gonetomorrow]

Looks like VAR is here to stay unfortunately.
Let's hire some refs from abroad and some new staff at Stokeley Park too - also from abroad if necessary.
I don't trust the current lot.

 

[b-rad]

This might sound mad as its an international football tournament

But the jeopardy or the back lash of a wrong decision is far higher in the PL!
That's not me sticking up for the incompetent, sometimes borderline corrupt referees in the Premier League.

But when you have the high profile pundits (your Neville's, Carragher's, Jenas', Keane's, Murphy's) making the argument for or against a decision based on there club allegiance and practically brushing off any bad decisions made against a lesser club! (Think of the campaign Carragher went on after the disallowed Spurs goal vrs some of the decisions Wolves were up against),, or throw in your Klopps, Arteta's & Guardiola's being able to say whatever they want, acting like idiots on the touchline trying to gain any type of advantage!

Do you think if all this pantomime stopped, the referees could concentrate on refereeing instead of babysitting? Or worried about facing a public backlash from the Sky brigade?

It should be, but Sky has a whole weekly segment dedicated to analysing refereeing performance and the rest of the media isn't far behind.

Bad decisions in the World Cup or Euros are forgotten about while the games come thick and fast. Managers aren't revered as celebrities in the same way as they are in the PL. As such, referees are facilitators of the game in the Euros, rather than sources of media content that their decisions become in the prem.

 

[DualityNSNO]

So, this sensor in the ball then, how do they isolate it from the sensor in the ball the kid on the sideline is juggling with whilst recovering from in the stand?

And are we going to see comparative force/shock graphs of different balls hit with varying force across the tournament?

Still think a panel of judges would be a better fit for calling cards and penalties, similar to how Olympic boxing is scored.

I love the question as it's so bizarre - how does your router know which device is which if you've got 4 phones on the wifi? Identifiers perhaps? Not like they have chip/device IDs or anything

But also imagine the scenario where they're looking into it and they decide the ball didn't cross the line as it's out of the stadium - they'd accidentally focused on the one from the Ashley Young free kick that's landed outside the stadium.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

The day VAR is operated by AI the better and happier the world will be for it.

 

[Rita_Poon]

I love the question as it's so bizarre - how does your router know which device is which if you've got 4 phones on the wifi? Identifiers perhaps? Not like they have chip/device IDs or anything

But also imagine the scenario where they're looking into it and they decide the ball didn't cross the line as it's out of the stadium - they'd accidentally focused on the one from the Ashley Young free kick that's landed outside the stadium.

Guilty.
The phones connected to the wifi (uh-oh!) aren't usually being wellied around, and who's choosing which ball is active? Does the system scramble if Joe public throws the ball into the active area when another ball is already in the zone?
Snicko on the football, what about hotspot? Can apply it to players as well, imagine how cold Gomes would have looked.

It's the future, thermal imaging football !

 

[DualityNSNO]

Guilty.
The phones connected to the wifi (uh-oh!) aren't usually being wellied around, and who's choosing which ball is active? Does the system scramble if Joe public throws the ball into the active area when another ball is already in the zone?
Snicko on the football, what about hotspot? Can apply it to players as well, imagine how cold Gomes would have looked.

It's the future, thermal imaging football !

The phones connected to your provider are wellied around though, and they're okay to know where you are with a very good proximity.

Point is, isolated systems know how and what to look for and are pretty good at tracking - you can make standalone ones that don't care for electronic noise, etc.

They already have the tracking for the players by the way, that's why they wear those bras - track distance, position, etc.