Have a time limit. If it exceeds that the original call stands
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VAR
- Thread starter garyw
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Blue_in_london
Player Valuation: £10m
Do away with the clown-led operation and bring in VARai...correct decision in 1 second and play resumes almost immediately...downside is it might take over the world at halftime!
DIsagree. Games are about immediacy and VAR removes this. Apart from the fact its use is laughable, in principal it ruins why you watch.
I really find it interesting that there are so many against VAR in general instead of how the PREMIER LEAGUE use VAR. It works in every sport out there and works in ALMOST every instance in other countries who use it for football. It's mates who don't want to overrule their mates. The EASIEST way to fix this is to have a dedicated VAR group for Europe but they have no idea who they are watching until that day. And you can't do your own country. Bam, it's fixed.
windymiller
Player Valuation: £60m
Correct, one and all. The tech isn't the problem, it's the Muppets operating it that can't be trusted. Go with the automated, and instantaneous, systems like the goal line tech and the AI offsides. Machines might not always be correct but they are unbiased. Get rid of everything else, the current PGMOL mob are too incompetent, or too corrupt, to operate it.
What will happen to the clowns operating it? How will they collectively improve by the start of next season?
Rita_Poon
Player Valuation: £90m
Oh the sting in the tail if this gets binned. Hell hath no fury like an FA scheme scorned. What's the stats on total penalties and the scatter graph (?) of allocations thereof.
The unconscious bias they hide behind currently reverts back to full blown bias like previous and then some, "you want back to the bad old days? get a load of this!".
The unconscious bias they hide behind currently reverts back to full blown bias like previous and then some, "you want back to the bad old days? get a load of this!".
I'd keep it, but just for obvious stuff.
Titus Bramble
Best centre half to grace the Premier League
It’s the officials running it and how it’s run which is the problem… but if that’s not going to change then get rid of the system imo, but plan to bring it back in however many years time once certain changes have been made.
The marginal offside calls are guesswork imo. The images the officials use to determine where to draw the lines are too out of focus and unclear to be accurate. It’s impossible to capture the exact moment the ball is kicked because their aren’t enough frames in the slow mo… and when you’ve got professional athletes sprinting in different directions, that fraction of a second counts. Until the semi-automated technology is in, bin the lines off, if it’s impossible to tell with a single freeze frame whether it’s offside or not, go with the on field decision.
Clear and obvious is just a sound bite as well. If you’re watching replays slowed down to snails pace from 35 different angles for 5 minutes to make a decision, it’s not clear and obvious. If an on field decision is missed because the ref is unsighted, a 30 second pause while he watches 2 or 3 real speed replays is plenty to see if something is clear and obvious.
When you’ve got non-decisions like the Gordon penalty last night, there’s no point in having VAR anyway as it’s not doing it’s job.
The marginal offside calls are guesswork imo. The images the officials use to determine where to draw the lines are too out of focus and unclear to be accurate. It’s impossible to capture the exact moment the ball is kicked because their aren’t enough frames in the slow mo… and when you’ve got professional athletes sprinting in different directions, that fraction of a second counts. Until the semi-automated technology is in, bin the lines off, if it’s impossible to tell with a single freeze frame whether it’s offside or not, go with the on field decision.
Clear and obvious is just a sound bite as well. If you’re watching replays slowed down to snails pace from 35 different angles for 5 minutes to make a decision, it’s not clear and obvious. If an on field decision is missed because the ref is unsighted, a 30 second pause while he watches 2 or 3 real speed replays is plenty to see if something is clear and obvious.
When you’ve got non-decisions like the Gordon penalty last night, there’s no point in having VAR anyway as it’s not doing it’s job.
The standard of how the officials use VAR isn't improving anytime soon, refs are getting to the point where they're 4 yards away from pens and red card offences hopeful that VAR will bail them out.
It's actually made the refereeing even poorer (I didn't think that was possible but it is).
So it doesn't matter if anyone says it's not VAR, it's how it's implemented....unfortunately all the officials aren't going to be sacked, so I'd rather have 1 bellend making mistakes than having 5 making mistakes.
It's actually made the refereeing even poorer (I didn't think that was possible but it is).
So it doesn't matter if anyone says it's not VAR, it's how it's implemented....unfortunately all the officials aren't going to be sacked, so I'd rather have 1 bellend making mistakes than having 5 making mistakes.
Drico
Player Valuation: £50m
If you take the view that VAR is simply the latest tool for the PL to control the narrative - and I do - then it needs to be removed. The joy of a goal has been eliminated from the game. One has to wait in suspended agony - "ooh, the ratings" - for the officials to, possibly, get the call wrong. And there is no consistency. We have goal-line technology and that works well. When Frank Lampard's ghost goal occurred in 2010, I could see a clear rationale for such technology. But when the Polish goalkeeper was penalised for brushing Messi having dealt with a cross in 2022, I knew it had jumped the shark.
Whistling people offside - after a 5-minute deliberation - for having a toe or kneecap the "wrong" side of the defender is really not what technology should be focusing on. No daylight between the players, the goal should stand. Call it the George Graham rule. He berated his defenders if they claimed offside against a forward who got the wrong side of them without leaving daylight between them. Rightly so.
Whatever the rights and wrongs of the technology itself - which is fine - the people controlling it (the likes of Masters and Infantino) cannot be trusted to use it in ways that benefit the game. They use it in ways that make them more money. More suspense, more drama, more ability to manipulate ratings and the narrative. Look at how points deductions - again, as inconsistent as any VAR calls - were used to artifically generate a relegation battle. They cannot be trusted to have such direct control over the game. When that ref in our cup game made the right call, was asked to go to the screen, and then reversed his own good decision (later proven correct), I knew this could never work. It's no longer a help to referees. It's just more cognitive load. In the past, when a ref made a mistake, one could at least point to the idea that it was an honest one made in the heat of the moment. Nowadays, when they have lots of time to make a decision - and still get it wrong - one is entitled to think either the technology has not helped or they are corrupt. Either way, it's doing refs no favours.
Whistling people offside - after a 5-minute deliberation - for having a toe or kneecap the "wrong" side of the defender is really not what technology should be focusing on. No daylight between the players, the goal should stand. Call it the George Graham rule. He berated his defenders if they claimed offside against a forward who got the wrong side of them without leaving daylight between them. Rightly so.
Whatever the rights and wrongs of the technology itself - which is fine - the people controlling it (the likes of Masters and Infantino) cannot be trusted to use it in ways that benefit the game. They use it in ways that make them more money. More suspense, more drama, more ability to manipulate ratings and the narrative. Look at how points deductions - again, as inconsistent as any VAR calls - were used to artifically generate a relegation battle. They cannot be trusted to have such direct control over the game. When that ref in our cup game made the right call, was asked to go to the screen, and then reversed his own good decision (later proven correct), I knew this could never work. It's no longer a help to referees. It's just more cognitive load. In the past, when a ref made a mistake, one could at least point to the idea that it was an honest one made in the heat of the moment. Nowadays, when they have lots of time to make a decision - and still get it wrong - one is entitled to think either the technology has not helped or they are corrupt. Either way, it's doing refs no favours.
Blue Smoke
Player Valuation: £5m
When var is the topic of conversation every monday morning, which it is, then somethings definitely wrong.
There also seems to be an agenda of var trying to look to find something to disallow a goal with.
There also seems to be an agenda of var trying to look to find something to disallow a goal with.
Wouldn't it be right for each club to poll their ST holders, or fans with credits ?.
