VAR

[trueblue84]

Personally I'm sick and tired of VAR, we have seen time and time again VAR decisions aren't consistent. It ruins match going experience, we had a 4 minute wait, to look at Betos clearly onside goal. VAR team, intentionally decided to show angle that gave Referee a view that favoured United. Even Ally McGoist was saying into was the wrong angle of foul to look at. I think Everton fans and other fans should make anti VAR banners or walk outs. In Derby, VAR tried to look at anything to disallow our goal. As long as fans stay quiet, it will continue to ruin game.

VAR is fine. When someone can watch it and still come to their own decision: that is a problem.

 

[Ring master]

VAR is a simple reref of the game. Which its not suppose to be, but will be claimed its not that. Its a pick and choose

 

[GrandOldTeam]

VAR works

It’s when they try to rig VAR that the problems start.

Not for me. Subjectivity ends it.

Above all - What's clear and obvious?

A 4minute check for 1mm offside?

The Palace goal against us was a pisstake too. Took about a month to look at for no reason.

 

[judge]

Football was the most 'beautiful' game in the world for over 100 years without it.

We dont need it!

What i would do though is start bringing in foreign refs, too many have a gripe with certain players or clubs/managers or 'support' a certain club.

Create one pool of refs in Europe and they go around the different leagues each week doing one in Spain Italy France etc.... but you cant officiate in the country you are from, that would stop bias or the blatant corruption

The problem is, the 'global brands' are more likely to have overseas fans and therefore overseas refs are more likely to support one of them. Our refs are useless/biased, but it is the rules that have gotten worse. More and more it's down to someones interpretation of 'was there enough contact', was it the first phase of play, was his arm in an unnatural position? This inevitably leads to a perception that the rules are designed to favour the 'big clubs'................and i'm not saying that they aren't!

 

[trueblue84]

Clubs like Turkeys voting for Christmas as per.

At least 10 clubs are just happy to exist in the premier league. Add in the top 6 and nothing meaningful will change.

 

[Titus Shambles]

Been chatting about this on the way back. Walk outs is unlikely to get off the ground.
Getting the crowd to turn their backs on the game at any VAR call might catch on.

It's fun for an internet forum to chat about but lets be real: no fan complaining is getting rid of VAR. No governing body is going to care one iota if the noisy rabble turn their backs and boo; the fans are 10000% utterly irrelevant in such things (plus every club has a part of a fanbase that thinks VAR is against them).

Today was so blatant an extreme that if it happened to the likes of Real Madrid you could see all those players walking off the pitch and refusing complete the game. That would be the only thing that gets noticed, and even then the club would get punished with a points fine.

Bottom line is, 1 week from now (hell, 1 day from now) it wont even be talked about in the media. Mistake made, shrug shoulders, says "oops our bad, sorry bout that", then on to the next.

 

[matty1878]

Don't remember something so blatant in recent memory. The club has to show a bit more passion upstairs because fed up of being a pushover that the pl can abuse at will with no repercussions. They need to show a bit more fight.

ye if we don’t then expect us to not keep getting those decisions

 

[matty1878]

Can we have

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[ToffeeTim]

The club voted against scrapping VAR

No idea why

But it's not going away

 

[JLW]

Football was the "beautiful" game before modern money got a hold of it. If you think VAR was what changed it you havent been watching for the past 20 years. It turned when it became more "entertainment" to put money in the pockets of the rich clubs, rather than real sport, and the referees are a tool in that arsenal.

Its the ONLY tool we have to truly expose the corruption. Destroying your one way to expose the corruption is insane unless you are a fan of the sly 6.

They are getting exposed on a weekly basis, whats getting done about it? nothing.

It will never be truly exposed as they (Sky & PL) are protecting there brand.

You have that 'kin breathing corpse on sky sports Dermot Gallagher, he will be telling us on Monday it was the correct decision

It will only take a mass boycott from a large percentage of the clubs for anything to happen, but they wont because like you say owners are on the gravy train getting their PL money each season.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

The club voted against scrapping VAR

No idea why

But it's not going away

Knew there wasn't the support and wanted some good boy head patting.

 

[Eggs]

…I’m all for VAR, it’s the cowboys analysing it that’s the problem. Officials have become far too important in the modern era, so often the game is about them.

 

[toffeemax]

Donohoe is from Greater Manchester

I don't think that is entirely reelvant, wherever you are in the country, there will be United fans. I'm London based but should never referee an Everton or Liverpool match! I think it's more just the inexperience was shown today. He almost wanted the referee to look at it because he was too scared to not tell him to, which a Mike Dean, or dare I say it, Kavanagh, would have done, sticking with the onfield decision as there wqsn't enough overhwleming evidence to overturn it. Unfortunately whenever anyone is ushered to the screen it's always a forgone conclusion.

 

[johnjoeefc]

At least 10 clubs are just happy to exist in the premier league. Add in the top 6 and nothing meaningful will change.

This is the case unfortunately
Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth, Fulham and teams like this are just happy to be in the league. Realistically their owners know they will never compete to become a consistently big enough club to challenge long term. So they will just vote for decisions which based on their financial model make the best sense for them.
It's never been logical to have competing clubs voting for rule changes etc because there is too much of a conflict of interest.

Considering ffp as an example, under Moshiri we didn't want FFP but now with new owners and going into the new stadium you could argue FFP gives us a better chance of competing. But our vote on whether to keep FFP or not is not a vote considering the greater good of the league, it is simply a vote that reflects our current interests. Same applies to all the clubs

 

[toffeemax]

VAR should be used only for 'factual' decisions. Was the ball over the goal/touch line, was he offside? Everything else is subjective - was it a fould/did he dive, is it a booking or a sending off, was he interfeering with play or not? Why have 3 or 4 people giving their opinions (the ref plus the VAR lot). Just leave it to the ref and if he misses something, then he misses something. I'd rather have human error than the continual double standards of 'we won't ineterfere with the onfield decision unless it's clear and obvious.................unless we want to!

This is the thing, that's exact rationale for it being implemented. It wasn't used like that today, and I believe that was because Donohue isn't used to using it and was too scared of making a mistake he overanalysed everything (Beto goal as a case in point), and in the end, wanted to not have to make a decision