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VAR

One thing I liked on the video was the lines they use. Makes things a lot clearer. If they're keeping it we should see and hear the whole process. They've accidentally shown us that they have a much clearer visual way of showing it that we never see. Alongside the "mates down the pub" conversations
 
I know its 'long' but read it anyway and decide if...how much of what we have had foisted upon us since day one, follows the rules - however loosely.

IMO, the Premier League have basically rewritten them in their own image and their paid lackeys PGMOL are told to get on with it...with VAR acting in a quasi Stasi role to crack the whip.

1. The authority of the referee

Each match is controlled by a referee who has full authority to enforce
the Laws of the Game in connection with the match.

2. Decisions of the referee

Decisions will be made to the best of the referee’s ability according to the Laws
of the Game and the ‘spirit of the game’ and will be based on the opinion of the
referee, who has the discretion to take appropriate action within the
framework of the Laws of the Game.

The decisions of the referee regarding facts connected with play, including wether a goal is scored and the result of the match are final.

The decisions of the referee, and all other match officials, must always be respected.
The referee may not change a restart decision on realising that it is incorrect or
on the advice of another match official if play has restarted or the referee has
signalled the end of the first or second half (including extra time) and left the
field of play or abandoned the match. However, if at the end of the half, the
referee leaves the field of play to go to the referee review area (RRA) or to
instruct the players to return to the field of play, this does not prevent a
decision being changed for an incident which occurred before the end of the
half.

Except as outlined in Law 12.3 and the VAR protocol, a disciplinary sanction
may only be issued after play has restarted if another match official had
identified and attempted to communicate the offence to the referee before play
restarted; the restart associated with the sanction does not apply.
If a referee is incapacitated, play may continue under the supervision of the 5 other match officials until the ball is next out of play.

12.3
Other match officials (two assistant referees, a fourth official, two additional
assistant referees, a reserve assistant referee, a video assistant referee (VAR)
and at least one assistant VAR (AVAR)) may be appointed to matches. They will
assist the referee in controlling the match in accordance with the Laws of the
Game but the final decision will always be taken by the referee.
The referee, assistant referees, fourth official, additional assistant referees and
reserve assistant referee are the ‘on-field’ match officials.
The VAR and AVAR are the ‘video’ match officials (VMOs) and assist the referee
in accordance with the Laws of the Game and the VAR protocol.
The match officials operate under the direction of the referee.
In the event of undue interference or improper conduct, the referee will relieve them of
their duties and make a report to the appropriate authorities.
 

Amazing how much coverage they get. I want a replay for this and just look at the state of that title...

Screenshot_20231004_155219_YouTube.webp
 
kenada_blue said:
It's why it should just be 1 ref making the final decision.

You need someone to have the final say on enforcing rules that tend to be open to interpretation. If they're his interpretation...then accept it.

What people don't accept are games controlled by a committee with millions of pounds worth of tech they don't really know how to use. Referees get lazy and rely on it to back them up, linos don't put flags up anymore. Now it's failing them.

Like it's been said before...just strip it back.
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I mentioned that in an earlier post.

If there is a possible error , the car should instruct the infield ref to the monitor so he can make the decision .

Should be “ wait up Jim… please review the penalty / red card etc. then Jim can instruct them to slow down , move forward or rewind replay so the HE can justify his decision or change it
 

degsy said:
I know its 'long' but read it anyway and decide if...how much of what we have had foisted upon us since day one, follows the rules - however loosely.

IMO, the Premier League have basically rewritten them in their own image and their paid lackeys PGMOL are told to get on with it...with VAR acting in a quasi Stasi role to crack the whip.

1. The authority of the referee

Each match is controlled by a referee who has full authority to enforce
the Laws of the Game in connection with the match.

2. Decisions of the referee

Decisions will be made to the best of the referee’s ability according to the Laws
of the Game and the ‘spirit of the game’ and will be based on the opinion of the
referee, who has the discretion to take appropriate action within the
framework of the Laws of the Game.

The decisions of the referee regarding facts connected with play, including wether a goal is scored and the result of the match are final.

The decisions of the referee, and all other match officials, must always be respected.
The referee may not change a restart decision on realising that it is incorrect or
on the advice of another match official if play has restarted or the referee has
signalled the end of the first or second half (including extra time) and left the
field of play or abandoned the match. However, if at the end of the half, the
referee leaves the field of play to go to the referee review area (RRA) or to
instruct the players to return to the field of play, this does not prevent a
decision being changed for an incident which occurred before the end of the
half.

Except as outlined in Law 12.3 and the VAR protocol, a disciplinary sanction
may only be issued after play has restarted if another match official had
identified and attempted to communicate the offence to the referee before play
restarted; the restart associated with the sanction does not apply.
If a referee is incapacitated, play may continue under the supervision of the 5 other match officials until the ball is next out of play.

12.3
Other match officials (two assistant referees, a fourth official, two additional
assistant referees, a reserve assistant referee, a video assistant referee (VAR)
and at least one assistant VAR (AVAR)) may be appointed to matches. They will
assist the referee in controlling the match in accordance with the Laws of the
Game but the final decision will always be taken by the referee.
The referee, assistant referees, fourth official, additional assistant referees and
reserve assistant referee are the ‘on-field’ match officials.
The VAR and AVAR are the ‘video’ match officials (VMOs) and assist the referee
in accordance with the Laws of the Game and the VAR protocol.
The match officials operate under the direction of the referee.
In the event of undue interference or improper conduct, the referee will relieve them of
their duties and make a report to the appropriate authorities.
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You lost me at “ I know it’s long”
 
degsy said:
I know its 'long' but read it anyway and decide if...how much of what we have had foisted upon us since day one, follows the rules - however loosely.

IMO, the Premier League have basically rewritten them in their own image and their paid lackeys PGMOL are told to get on with it...with VAR acting in a quasi Stasi role to crack the whip.

1. The authority of the referee

Each match is controlled by a referee who has full authority to enforce
the Laws of the Game in connection with the match.

2. Decisions of the referee

Decisions will be made to the best of the referee’s ability according to the Laws
of the Game and the ‘spirit of the game’ and will be based on the opinion of the
referee, who has the discretion to take appropriate action within the
framework of the Laws of the Game.

The decisions of the referee regarding facts connected with play, including wether a goal is scored and the result of the match are final.

The decisions of the referee, and all other match officials, must always be respected.
The referee may not change a restart decision on realising that it is incorrect or
on the advice of another match official if play has restarted or the referee has
signalled the end of the first or second half (including extra time) and left the
field of play or abandoned the match. However, if at the end of the half, the
referee leaves the field of play to go to the referee review area (RRA) or to
instruct the players to return to the field of play, this does not prevent a
decision being changed for an incident which occurred before the end of the
half.

Except as outlined in Law 12.3 and the VAR protocol, a disciplinary sanction
may only be issued after play has restarted if another match official had
identified and attempted to communicate the offence to the referee before play
restarted; the restart associated with the sanction does not apply.
If a referee is incapacitated, play may continue under the supervision of the 5 other match officials until the ball is next out of play.

12.3
Other match officials (two assistant referees, a fourth official, two additional
assistant referees, a reserve assistant referee, a video assistant referee (VAR)
and at least one assistant VAR (AVAR)) may be appointed to matches. They will
assist the referee in controlling the match in accordance with the Laws of the
Game but the final decision will always be taken by the referee.
The referee, assistant referees, fourth official, additional assistant referees and
reserve assistant referee are the ‘on-field’ match officials.
The VAR and AVAR are the ‘video’ match officials (VMOs) and assist the referee
in accordance with the Laws of the Game and the VAR protocol.
The match officials operate under the direction of the referee.
In the event of undue interference or improper conduct, the referee will relieve them of
their duties and make a report to the appropriate authorities.
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Yeah. Doesn't operate like that does it
 
Let’s take the win, this will force them to change what we i am sure all think is a terrible system run by fools, that it cost our neighbours at least a point in such a controversial manner is just the icing.
 
Bez2k2k said:
Allan red card
Rodri handball
Coady disallowed derby goal - their player deliberately plays the ball.

There has been so many times.
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Imagine on each and every one of those occasions if VAR had decided in our favour and we should have the decision and then not bothered telling the referee to give them. Then we find out that we actually got those decisions from the VAR and they didn’t pass it on. I mean you’re peeved enough now imagine how you’d feel. I couldn’t give a crap about our neighbours but VAR isn’t working and putting Webb in charge has made it worse not better.
To make it worse they’ve taken England off duty against them which means we get more chance to get the fool in our games.
 
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Otto von pissmark has played a blinder with these VAR whoppers and his replay nonsense - the RS will get absolutely everything for the rest of the season and maybe beyond after this debacle.

It will be worth much more than the 3 points they’ve lost against spurs.
 

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