VAR

[MisterJ]

I don't have an issue with VAR in itself, I just don't think it's being used properly

The ultimate decision should be that of the onfield referee, VAR shouldn't be acting as a secondary ref which it currently is

Football should look at Rugby, where this kind of technology is being used. You don't see controversial decisions there as VAR is purely supplemental and is used where the onfield referee asks for it. That's what they should do in football; meaning that the referee in charge on the pitch remains in charge, rather than some bloke in Stockly Park.

 

[MisterJ]

I don't have an issue with VAR in itself, I just don't think it's being used properly

The ultimate decision should be that of the onfield referee, VAR shouldn't be acting as a secondary ref which it currently is

Football should look at Rugby, where this kind of technology is being used. You don't see controversial decisions there as VAR is purely supplemental and is used where the onfield referee asks for it. That's what they should do in football; meaning that the referee in charge on the pitch remains in charge, rather than some bloke in Stockly Park.

And whilst it's bad form to reply to yourself, there should also be a time limit. If a VAR review takes longer than a minute then it's not clear and obvious, so the on field decision should stand regardless

 

[maccavennie]

And whilst it's bad form to reply to yourself, there should also be a time limit. If a VAR review takes longer than a minute then it's not clear and obvious, so the on field decision should stand regardless

But what takes one VAR official 4 minutes to come to a decision, another VAR official takes 30 seconds. There's no consistency because everything is open to interpretation and there'd not one VAR or referred official who thinks the same game after game.

It needs scrapping, the referees are bad enough without this bull making it worse and just letting other people in on the decision making and making it more bent than it already was.

Simply get rid, it's embarrassing how bad its been implemented

 

[Chewbacca]

Go back to booing referees in the same county as the match.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

But what takes one VAR official 4 minutes to come to a decision, another VAR official takes 30 seconds. There's no consistency because everything is open to interpretation and there'd not one VAR or referred official who thinks the same game after game.

It needs scrapping, the referees are bad enough without this bull making it worse and just letting other people in on the decision making and making it more bent than it already was.

Simply get rid, it's embarrassing how bad its been implemented

Funny how it works better in other countries and at tournaments almost as if the people using it have some kind of agenda

 

[John from Bootle]

They conned us. It's not what it was sold as.

Until fan groups get together and demand it's thrown in the bin, then it's just giving them license to carry on conning us.

 

[John from Bootle]

Funny how it works better in other countries and at tournaments almost as if the people using it have some kind of agenda

The whole thing needs tearing up. How refs are selected and everything. I posted the following well over a year ago now, and I still stand by every word. The whole system is an absolute joke...

People have been slamming the refereeing in this country for a long time now. Let's not forget, it was shoddy refereeing, ultimately, that led to VAR. It was basically meant to stop appalling injustices, wasn't it? With hindsight, it definitely seems like that's how it was 'sold.'

What we really need to do is tear up the current gateway to becoming a Premier League ref.

People rightly question whether the officials may be reluctant to overturn their 'mates' decision, because they'll be working together a lot and what have you. Well, it goes a lot deeper than that. How many people stop to consider that most of these refs will have known each other since they were very young?

The path to becoming a 'top ref' can start at age 14. If you come through the system, and end up becoming a Premier League ref, you will earn 'a salary of between £38,500 and £42,000 – which varies based on experience. Referees are then given an extra £1,150 for matches they are put in charge of, which means that a Premier League referee can earn up to £70,000 per season.'

Obviously, if you ref at a lower level, pay will be lower. There's so many issues with this. For a start, if you hang your mate out to dry once too often, then you're basically messing with his livelihood, Another issue with this is the talent pool you're recruiting from, You're basically recruiting people who've set out on a career knowing that if they get to the very, very top, become one of the elite in their field, then they could earn up to 70k a year... They're hardly gonna attract the finest minds in the country are they? This is a league that has just spent £2 billion on transfers.

Is paying Premier League refs up to 70k per year also not leaving the system open to corruption? 70k a year? To make decisions that can have implications worth 10's of million of pounds? Fool proof eh?
IMO, the selection process for the prem has to start from a much higher standard. I'd genuinely make it a gateway requirement to be a doctor and I'd pay them all 500k a year.

TL;DR?

Who was that meff crowing about earning 70k a year? He was defo a Premier League ref.

 

[street end]

I think we have a generational problem too. The other week Anthony had his foot trod on in the box. He had released the ball and was leaning back so was in no position for a give and go, Var intervened and a pen was awarded, a joke of a decision. I mentioned this to a couple of work colleagues who are late 20s early 30s both match going United fans who agreed with me. A lad wet behind the ears teleclapper only 18 said it was a stonewall pen. The TV and pundits are slowly sanitizing us as viewers. Young people are brought up watching blatant gamesmanship disguised as been a foul. The amount of times you see every week a player lose control of the ball and throw themselves on the floor and buy a token foul is beyond the pale.

What about the one against Man Utd the other week, ref booked Utd player for diving only for VAR to over rule it then booked Patterson, also the penalty in the second half, wasn’t Martial already ok his way down and the pen was still given?

Another ridiculous one was against Fulham in the cup, Patterson booked after a clash of heads because he got up rather than rolling around. The standard of refereeing is woeful.

 

[street end]

The whole thing needs tearing up. How refs are selected and everything. I posted the following well over a year ago now, and I still stand by every word. The whole system is an absolute joke...

People have been slamming the refereeing in this country for a long time now. Let's not forget, it was shoddy refereeing, ultimately, that led to VAR. It was basically meant to stop appalling injustices, wasn't it? With hindsight, it definitely seems like that's how it was 'sold.'

What we really need to do is tear up the current gateway to becoming a Premier League ref.

People rightly question whether the officials may be reluctant to overturn their 'mates' decision, because they'll be working together a lot and what have you. Well. it goes a lot deeper than that. How many people stop to consider that most of these refs will have known each other since they were very young?

The path to becoming a 'top ref' can start at age 14. If you come through the system, and end up becoming a Premier League ref, you will earn 'a salary of between £38,500 and £42,000 – which varies based on experience. Referees are then given an extra £1,150 for matches they are put in charge of, which means that a Premier League referee can earn up to £70,000 per season.'

Obviously, if you ref at a lower level, pay will be lower. There's so many issues with this. For a start, if you hang your mate out to dry once too often, then you're basically messing with his livelihood, Another issue with this is the talent pool you're recruiting from, You're basically recruiting people who've set out on a career knowing that if they get to the very, very top, become one of the elite in their field, then they could earn up to 70k a year... They're hardly gonna attract the finest minds in the country are they? This is a league that has just spent £2 billion on transfers.

Is paying Premier League refs up to 70k per year also not leaving the system open to corruption? 70k a year? To make decisions that can have implications worth 10's of million of pounds? Fool proof eh?
IMO, the selection process for the prem has to start from a much higher standard. I'd genuinely make it a gateway requirement to be a doctor and I'd pay them all 500k a year.

TL;DR?

Who was that meff crowing about earning 70k a year? He was defo a Premier League ref.

Haha remember him, worse than a Prem ref him, no decorum.

 

[Osamabindiesel]

Overall it’s been good for the game (handball and offsides) as the players are conditioned now not to blatantly cheat on those fronts. But you cannot trust a system where officials are allowed to overturn a ruling based on judgement as opposed to fact. It should only be used for clear and obvious errors and advantages where the official can make a fair ruling on the goal decision afterwards (offsides and handball).

 

[John from Bootle]

Overall it’s been good for the game (handball and offsides) as the players are conditioned now not to blatantly cheat on those fronts. But you cannot trust a system where officials are allowed to overturn a ruling based on judgement as opposed to fact. It should only be used for clear and obvious errors and advantages where the official can make a fair ruling on the goal decision afterwards (offsides and handball).

Not sure I agree mate.

For a start, how the hell do you cheat offside?

As for handball cheating, I'm not convinced that was ever that big an issue. Certainly nowhere near the issue that V A Farce is now.

 

[street end]

Overall it’s been good for the game (handball and offsides) as the players are conditioned now not to blatantly cheat on those fronts. But you cannot trust a system where officials are allowed to overturn a ruling based on judgement as opposed to fact. It should only be used for clear and obvious errors and advantages where the official can make a fair ruling on the goal decision afterwards (offsides and handball).

The problem is now that some of those players go down holding their head knowing the ref has to stop the game then jump back up after staying down for a minute or so, yes that have to go off for 30 seconds but what’s that compared to stopping a counter attack.

 

[deipnosophist]

Not sure I agree mate.

For a start, how the hell do you cheat offside?

As for handball cheating, I'm not convinced that was ever that big an issue. Certainly nowhere near the issue that V A Farce is now.

lol

 

[degsy]

I don't have an issue with VAR in itself, I just don't think it's being used properly

The ultimate decision should be that of the onfield referee, VAR shouldn't be acting as a secondary ref which it currently is

Football should look at Rugby, where this kind of technology is being used. You don't see controversial decisions there as VAR is purely supplemental and is used where the onfield referee asks for it. That's what they should do in football; meaning that the referee in charge on the pitch remains in charge, rather than some bloke in Stockly Park.

Exactly
The Referee controls the game - the assistants, well, erm, they just assist.
V video
A  Assistant
R referee
(via toffeeweb.)...Gomes wins the ball, DCL, shoots, it's saved for a corner, or even just saved for a goalkick

would VAR overrule the corner or goal kick for a foul?

the VAR tail is very inconsistently wagging the Referee dog

 

[JordanianEmbassy]

Made this edit to Wikipedia a while back, lasted just under 24 hours before it got reversed,