"We are going to the big teams to win"

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artetas_biggest_fan said:
It's a straight choice of; more possession, or more cutting edge.

We flood midfield (and push both fullbacks forward)... while this will almost guarantee more possession it also leaves the team short in other areas. At Anfield both fullbacks were caught upfield time and time again which was exposed when they broke. We also play a higher line which is also exposed against a pacy attack. Two holding midfielders gives more stability in front of defence but comes at the the cost of having more attacking threat. We don't create enough chances never mind have someone to finish them (nothing at Anfield, one deflected shot in 2nd haf vs Chelsea, and nothing in 2nd half vs Spurs).

Last season Liv played with five in midfield and would harp on about possession stats. This season they've pulled a central mid and played with another upfront and the difference is obvious. They are looser yes but are far more threatening. The one game it backfired was against Villa when they went for two upfront and so were outnumbered in midfield.

We are like the boxer Wayne McCullough, plenty of punches (possession) but not hurting the opponent. Hull are far more of a threat now with two forwards. Possession may look neat on a stats sheet but possession doesn't appear in a league table.

We lack a too quality creative player, a #10, and two quality strikers.
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Flawed statement that mate it's not "either or" a team could have Suarez as a cutting edge but if they ain't got the ball his only contribution is racism.

Gotta have the ball it was the biggest problem under the last regime we'd lump it and back it would come so we ended up scoring mostly from dead balls.
 
toffeejack said:
we would have won at chelsea and spurs if we had spent about a quarter of what they'd spent on their attacking players, possibly less than a quarter.

it's been a big improvement both performance and mentality wise - a lot of us can see that. these sort of things take time, take a lot of time with the finances we have as well.

city had billionaires but it still took them a few years to even be title contenders.

we're not just going to go from the odd draw a season to winning at all these places within a year - the united win is a good stepping stone though to the future, regardless of the other teams that have gone there and won.

we've caught the last three of those games with a limited team and more importantly no actual strikers, you'd like to think this won't be the case next season as well
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Absolutely.
 
Titus Bramble said:
I think Martinez needs at least 2/3 seasons in the job before we start questioning his away record at the 'top' teams. He's already bettered Moyes in terms of wins anyway.

Edit: winning at the 'big 4'
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Good point.

We are at least trying away from home now. Ok, some results may not have gone our way, but the performances have been promising.

We won at Old Trafford and drew at The Emirates.
 
Our issue is because we don't have any top class forwards we keep possession to try and wear the opposition out until we can catch them on the break unfortunately some teams don't buckle and that's were it all goes wrong. We don't have a plan b as we don't have much creativity or penetration so we become stuck . A lot of investing needs to be done
 

It was a good result but quite a few teams have gone to Old Trafford and won this season against the worst United side in living memory, it currently isn't the great achievement that it once was.
 
griffla said:
The Spurs & Chelsea results were harsh. For a team thats never going to spend £100m on a few new players, we need to find another way to be able to compete with the best. In Martinez 1st season we've shown it's possible.
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we've shown unless we sign another top striker, we cant compete in these games.....with lukaku we can get a result, without him we can't.....

it'll be the exact same next season....if bill doesn't invest, it doesn't matter what Martinez does....

we need two top strikers in the summer, anything less is a waste of time...
 

We've done well in all the games except the one at Anfield. Even at the Etihad we could have gotten a positive result if we hadn't been denied a penalty while they were given an extremely soft one. We needed a proper striker against Spurs and Chelsea. Lack of cutting edge in the final third, as others have mentioned before, is the problem and I'm waiting to see what Kenwright and Martinez do about this in the summer.
 
It has already been said, we are very much a work in progress. We are lacking A LOT in the attacking areas. Our centre mid pairing need a break, our number 10 is getting used to his first full season as a premier league player. What I hope is Bobby goes for quality rather than quantity in the summer. Maybe with one or two more Martinez type players with quality, and we will be taking the wins from the likes of Chelsea and spurs.
 
Dymak said:
It was a good result but quite a few teams have gone to Old Trafford and won this season against the worst United side in living memory, it currently isn't the great achievement that it once was.
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Moyes would still have failed to win the game there though.
 

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