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West Brom v Everton. 20th Jan at 20.00.

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I'd say i've been pessimistic since the turn of the year, and not necessarily because we've been bad, but because the others haven't been great but grinding out results. If you look at Spurs, they haven't been doing anything amazing, but are getting 3pts, week after week, and it just doesn't feel like we're getting it. I'm certainly not giving up, we're still one point off, but we just seem to be getting a lot of injuries, and it's just frustrating isn't it!

That said, football is a funny old game, if we win next week at the pit and Spurs lose to City, we find ourselves in.... 4th, so it's not the be all end all drawing at WBA, we are all allowed room for error, it just sadly means that we're gonna need less slip ups in the final 15 games now, and you have to look at games versus Newcastle, Fulham, Sunderland, Hull and Southampton and hope for a very minimum of 12 out of 15 there, knowing that we only got 5 from a possible 15 at Cardiff, Norwich, Stoke, West Brom and Palace. I'm not saying it isn't possible mind, and our next home fixtures are Villa, Palace, West Ham, Cardiff and Swansea, if that isn't an incentive, i really don't know what is?

Either way, August-December has provided some amazing memories so far, and we still have 4 months to play, we can still do it, we just need a break on the injury front, Barkley, Deulofeu, Pienaar, Alcaraz and Coleman could potentially be back for the derby, and how much of a timely boost will that be?

As you said, we should hopefully have Barkley, Pienaar and Deulofeu back before too long. McGeady will get up to speed and we'll hopefully have Traore coming in too. Maybe he'll come in and go on a Jelavic/Cisse-type goalscoring blitz?

We are only a point off fourth and we haven't really been playing out of our skin. If Suarez gets injured or loses form the RS will stutter. And it sounds like Spurs have been very fortunate to win their recent matches. There's a long way to go yet.
 
I said exactly that about Pienaar, his final ball isn't good enough. The main point about him is that with his control and ability to take possession in tight areas and turn a man he opens the pitch up for us. Now whether he gives a simple pass and we go on to threaten from there or he gives a weak pass or shot, it is still putting us on the front foot and making us a threat. Without that tonight the ball does not stick up front at all.

I agree, Pienaar has regressed, but the beauty about having Pienaar in your team is that Baines works so well with him. I don't know if it's just the way it works, like an understanding, but Baines was anonymous today, and seems to be when Pienaar is missing, i'd hope McGeady can offer a good interlink with Baines too because it's concerning if we're gonna lump £75k a week on a player who can only work with a regressing player. I'd still have Pienaar in my starting XI, but hes one of those who sadly will have to be replaced sooner, rather than later.
 
Just got home from the match now lads, not f*cking good enough what so ever. We had a real chance there tonight and we badly messed it up, all of our team seemed lethargic and uninterested especially that t*at Osman the old man. We had an opportunity to go 4th and cocked it up surprise surprise. Get a f*cking leader in like Joey Barton instead of having a miserable captain like Jags, get rid of him. Distin was also poor, really poor. Imagine him vs Suarez, Jesus christ. We need some passion and drive in that team, it's broken no leaders, against modern football. Get rid of Lukaku as well lads, he's shocking, Vic looked great compared to him.

Some of this is total bollox... joey barton!!! You on you lad.

This your first game watching us this season mate? I'm curious because I honestly can't believe you're questioning passion and drive!

Bad result tonight, very bad performance I agree but jesus lad, put the asti away yeah
 

As you said, we should hopefully have Barkley, Pienaar and Deulofeu back before too long. McGeady will get up to speed and we'll hopefully have Traore coming in too. Maybe he'll come in and go on a Jelavic/Cisse-type goalscoring blitz?

We are only a point off fourth and we haven't really been playing out of our skin. If Suarez gets injured or loses form the RS will stutter. And it sounds like Spurs have been very fortunate to win their recent matches. There's a long way to go yet.

Well everyone keeps on telling me we're gonna go on a bad run at some point, but how do we know this isn't the bad run? 8 from 15 isn't necessarily a bad return, but from the fixtures we've had, it could have been 15/15.

McGeady looked half decent today, and at least looked threatening, something which was sorely missed today. As you say despire the meltdown we're all having on twitter, GOT and at the match evidentally, we're still only 1pt off 4th, and we have an excellent record against teams in the 'top 7', which in this case could work in our favour as 3 of the next 5 are against them, and then who knows!

All it takes is a bit of luck, and i say it's about time we got some!
 
Some of this is total bollox... joey barton!!! You on you lad.

This your first game watching us this season mate? I'm curious because I honestly can't believe you're questioning passion and drive!

Bad result tonight, very bad performance I agree but jesus lad, put the asti away yeah

Been to 9 aways and all home games. Sorry I admitt i'm chatting some ****. Drunk and angry.
 

Pretty sure Martinez doesn't rate him...quite sure actually. He sees the lad in training week in and week out, so I'm gonna trust that he knows what he's doing.

I sadly have to agree. I'm a Vellios fan, and he always reminded me of Big Dunc, strong in the air. Doesn't look like it's gonna work out for the lad, when in desperation of winning the game, he brings on Stevie Nais instead of Tolis.
 
Let's also not forget our massive injury list: Deuofeu, Pienaar, Barkley, Kone, Gibson...

That said, none of what I just typed can excuse performances such as Osman's and Distin's tonight.

Well, this is where 'squad' players have a chance to shine & show the boss that they are every bit as good as his first team selections. They have to realise that they're not there to make up the numbers, but that they need to perform when called upon.

You cannot assume every lower team will be an easy 3 points, but what you can assume is that they aren't in the PL to make up the numbers! That's why every player on the paddock has to put in, regardless of who they're playing.

(I'll qualify all of that with the fact that I'm only ever going by what you guys have pointed out after watching the game)
 
Schniederlin, Barton or Sandro

what exactly have you been drinking, lad? I thought they banned the psychedelics from Absinthe.


The problem of lacking shouty aggressive leaders is a modern one affecting most teams. The German National Team is the most obvious example. The theory goes that the ultra-rich modern player lacks the rough-n-dirty upbringing many of the older generation had. This in turn means the modern player grows up lacking a particular character asset: Natural Leader. The sort who'll inspire his players to battle to a win because they're scared of him.

We could do with an old-school [Poor language removed] like that.
 

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