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Yep. Perfect song.
'Don't look back in anger' kicks The Cure to the kerb instantly. As does 'There she goes'. And 'Love is the law' by the Seahorses (heard of them?). Many, many, more. Try 'Freebird', and 'Hotel California' as well. The list is endless regarding songs that are better than that MOR song.

And are you really saying that that song tops a whole slew of numbers by the Beatles? Or The Stones for that matter (Honky Tonk Women, Brown Sugar, Tumbling Dice)? Don't make me laugh. Keep the conversation serious...
 
'Don't look back in anger' kicks The Cure to the kerb instantly. As does 'There she goes'. And 'Love is the law' by the Seahorses (heard of them?). Many, many, more. Try 'Freebird', and 'Hotel California' as well. The list is endless regarding songs that are better than that MOR song.

And are you really saying that that song tops a whole slew of numbers by the Beatles? Or The Stones for that matter (Honky Tonk Women, Brown Sugar, Tumbling Dice)? Don't make me laugh. Keep the conversation serious...
Just Like Heaven doesn't even have a chorus and is still hookier than any of them songs.

Every single element of the song is perfection from the first drum fill.

You just seem to be reeling of all the songs from whatever current version of the Top Gear Top Driving Anthems compilation is out now.

To avoid any further steam exiting your ears over a throw away comment though, I'll allow you to substitute "best" song to "My Favourite" because quite frankly its an opinion as there is no metric to decide this as its art and is interpreted differently by different people.
 

Just Like Heaven doesn't even have a chorus and is still hookier than any of them songs.

Every single element of the song is perfection from the first drum fill.

You just seem to be reeling of all the songs from whatever current version of the Top Gear Top Driving Anthems compilation is out now.

To avoid any further steam exiting your ears over a throw away comment though, I'll allow you to substitute "best" song to "My Favourite" because quite frankly its an opinion as there is no metric to decide this as its art and is interpreted differently by different people.

Don't think so, having lived with/been involved with music from the 1960s onwards. I could post up some of the stuff I listen to, but there's no point, as I believe it would go completely over your head. It's more a case of you not knowing/understanding the quality music outwith your own particular favourite band. Broaden your horizons, and you might be surprised.

And I don't need your permission to do anything with regard to music.

I do agree with you, however, that personal opinion is a major rider in stating what an individual believes is the 'best' song. But come on, The Cure over those I have already quoted...
 
Don't think so, having lived with/been involved with music from the 1960s onwards. I could post up some of the stuff I listen to, but there's no point, as I believe it would go completely over your head. It's more a case of you not knowing/understanding the quality music outwith your own particular favourite band. Broaden your horizons, and you might be surprised.

And I don't need your permission to do anything with regard to music.

I do agree with you, however, that personal opinion is a major rider in stating what an individual believes is the 'best' song. But come on, The Cure over those I have already quoted...
I'd be more than happy to see what you listen to mate. But having grown up in the era of the Internet with the ability to listen to any music I want at the click of a button. My generation have the broadest taste in music of any generation before it.

Also The Cure are nowhere near my favourite band, don't think they'd creep into the top 30.

The artists and songs you reeled off could all be listed in a nice little box I like to call "dad rock".

And you'll especially like this part, The Beatles are the most overrated band ever. In my opinion. The bands that they inspired are way better than them. For example, Oasis are a far better band than them and neither of them are as good as The Smiths. I appreciate what they did but if they didn't exist I'm sure someone else would've done something similar and filled the void.

But as I say, opinions innit. I don't expect you to agree with me and I don't think you expect me to agree with you.
 
I'd be more than happy to see what you listen to mate. But having grown up in the era of the Internet with the ability to listen to any music I want at the click of a button. My generation have the broadest taste in music of any generation before it.

Also The Cure are nowhere near my favourite band, don't think they'd creep into the top 30.

The artists and songs you reeled off could all be listed in a nice little box I like to call "dad rock".

And you'll especially like this part, The Beatles are the most overrated band ever. In my opinion. The bands that they inspired are way better than them. For example, Oasis are a far better band than them and neither of them are as good as The Smiths. I appreciate what they did but if they didn't exist I'm sure someone else would've done something similar and filled the void.

But as I say, opinions innit. I don't expect you to agree with me and I don't think you expect me to agree with you.

I thought you were of the internet generation!

You may call it 'dad rock' What you may not yet have realised, is that it was/is the precursor to everything you know and like today. Basically, the musos of my generation 'wrote the book' on what your present generation think is new and fresh, when the actual case is that it has all been done before.

Do you play an instrument? Serious question. Because if you don't, then I understand you sentences about the Beatles. I don't expect every single person to like them, or what they produced musically. If you DO play an instrument, then you need to delve into what they did exactly, to begin to understand the breadth of their individual and collective abilities, and how they were ground-breaking in so many different ways.

As for the Smiths, that monotone singer, Morrissey, should never have been allowed anywhere near a microphone, never mind a recording studio.

And in keeping with keeping our chat civil ( some readers will be looking in and thinking, 'Ooooh, what's going to be said next! :)) Here's a small example of the stuff I listen to. I doubt it will be your 'cup of tea', and it is not all-encompassing, just a snippet.

The guitarist in this band pre-Vai/Satriani/v Halen and so on, blows them all away.


Some live numbers:




With a youth orchestra


Pachelbel's Canon in D, performed on original instruments from the time of Pachelbel by the Early Music ensemble Voices of Music.


And for me, the greatest female voice of all, Karen Carpenter


And a song from my children's generation. Basically, the first Britpop/Indie number before the term was coined. And a great Scouse band, to boot!
 

I thought you were of the internet generation!

You may call it 'dad rock' What you may not yet have realised, is that it was/is the precursor to everything you know and like today. Basically, the musos of my generation 'wrote the book' on what your present generation think is new and fresh, when the actual case is that it has all been done before.

Do you play an instrument? Serious question. Because if you don't, then I understand you sentences about the Beatles. I don't expect every single person to like them, or what they produced musically. If you DO play an instrument, then you need to delve into what they did exactly, to begin to understand the breadth of their individual and collective abilities, and how they were ground-breaking in so many different ways.

As for the Smiths, that monotone singer, Morrissey, should never have been allowed anywhere near a microphone, never mind a recording studio.

And in keeping with keeping our chat civil ( some readers will be looking in and thinking, 'Ooooh, what's going to be said next! :)) Here's a small example of the stuff I listen to. I doubt it will be your 'cup of tea', and it is not all-encompassing, just a snippet.

The guitarist in this band pre-Vai/Satriani/v Halen and so on, blows them all away.


Some live numbers:




With a youth orchestra


Pachelbel's Canon in D, performed on original instruments from the time of Pachelbel by the Early Music ensemble Voices of Music.


And for me, the greatest female voice of all, Karen Carpenter


And a song from my children's generation. Basically, the first Britpop/Indie number before the term was coined. And a great Scouse band, to boot!

I appreciate the links, I'm always happy to look into music that I haven't heard before. Furthermore on the Beatles, if you were to attempt to convert me what album are you picking?

Oh I'm well aware of the influences to the bands that I hold dear but the whole "everything's been done before" is just not true. I might be putting words into your mouth but I assume you will say that there are no good new bands anymore. Which is only true on a surface level because the general media are only interested in what makes them money. And that is what is being repeatedly forced down everyones throats on the charts, you have to dig deeper to find the good stuff.

I don't play an instrument, I've tried guitar but that didn't last particularly long.

Morrissey is the best all round front man Britain has ever produced. Performance, attitude, lyrics and technically brilliant. Only shame is that i was born WAY too late to see The Smiths. Surely you like Johnny Marr?

I've also had a little listen to the songs you linked...

The first song could really do without the guitar worship for me. The guitar lines need to serve the song and all that soloing does is serve the blokes ego or I suppose other guitar players, like if I remember rightly, yourself. When he isn't doing that the songs alright, has a bit of pace about it which I like.

The Joe Cocker song is boring and ploddy, Free Bird is great obviously, Styx is OK and the rest is just not for me including The La's.
 
I appreciate the links, I'm always happy to look into music that I haven't heard before. Furthermore on the Beatles, if you were to attempt to convert me what album are you picking?

Oh I'm well aware of the influences to the bands that I hold dear but the whole "everything's been done before" is just not true. I might be putting words into your mouth but I assume you will say that there are no good new bands anymore. Which is only true on a surface level because the general media are only interested in what makes them money. And that is what is being repeatedly forced down everyones throats on the charts, you have to dig deeper to find the good stuff.

I don't play an instrument, I've tried guitar but that didn't last particularly long.

Morrissey is the best all round front man Britain has ever produced. Performance, attitude, lyrics and technically brilliant. Only shame is that i was born WAY too late to see The Smiths. Surely you like Johnny Marr?

I've also had a little listen to the songs you linked...

The first song could really do without the guitar worship for me. The guitar lines need to serve the song and all that soloing does is serve the blokes ego or I suppose other guitar players, like if I remember rightly, yourself. When he isn't doing that the songs alright, has a bit of pace about it which I like.

The Joe Cocker song is boring and ploddy, Free Bird is great obviously, Styx is OK and the rest is just not for me including The La's.

'...Morrissey is the best all round front man Britain has ever produced...' Now I KNOW you are taking the mickey! lol Never heard of Freddy Mercury? Never heard of Queen? Come on, be serious! Morrissey is garbage. As for Johnny Marr, strip away all the effects, and his playing can be said to be ordinary (same can be said for The Edge, whose sound is saturated with effects).

'...The first song could really do without the guitar worship for me. The guitar lines need to serve the song and all that soloing does is serve the blokes ego or I suppose other guitar players, like if I remember rightly, yourself...' His guitar style merged rock and jazz - it was in keeping with the style of the band. As a player, he was/is revered by other top players. When Patto toured with Ten Years After (heard of them), Alvin Lee (TYO guitarist, no slouch himself) stood at his side of the stage gobsmacked at what he was seeing and hearing. Many other famous names have acknlowledged his ability.

Joe Cocker took a bouncy Beatles song from the Sgt. Pepper album and turned it into a tour-de-force. Personal opinion, as we agree, at work here.

Styx took that Beatles song with that Youth Orchestra, and it is simply great for me to see those kids really enjoying playing the song. That's what it's all about - enjoyment in the moment.

The Las, as I said, were in at the start of of the whole Britpop thing - that song was late-1980s; Britpop/Indie hit in the '90s. And of course it led to John Power fronting another excellent Liverpool band, Cast.

A few more for you:
Ann Wilson - oh yes!


You just might know this one...


And for good ole rock 'n roll, you'd have to go along way to beat this. What a crowd, what a performance!
 
'...Morrissey is the best all round front man Britain has ever produced...' Now I KNOW you are taking the mickey! lol Never heard of Freddy Mercury? Never heard of Queen? Come on, be serious! Morrissey is garbage. As for Johnny Marr, strip away all the effects, and his playing can be said to be ordinary (same can be said for The Edge, whose sound is saturated with effects).

'...The first song could really do without the guitar worship for me. The guitar lines need to serve the song and all that soloing does is serve the blokes ego or I suppose other guitar players, like if I remember rightly, yourself...' His guitar style merged rock and jazz - it was in keeping with the style of the band. As a player, he was/is revered by other top players. When Patto toured with Ten Years After (heard of them), Alvin Lee (TYO guitarist, no slouch himself) stood at his side of the stage gobsmacked at what he was seeing and hearing. Many other famous names have acknlowledged his ability.

Joe Cocker took a bouncy Beatles song from the Sgt. Pepper album and turned it into a tour-de-force. Personal opinion, as we agree, at work here.

Styx took that Beatles song with that Youth Orchestra, and it is simply great for me to see those kids really enjoying playing the song. That's what it's all about - enjoyment in the moment.

The Las, as I said, were in at the start of of the whole Britpop thing - that song was late-1980s; Britpop/Indie hit in the '90s. And of course it led to John Power fronting another excellent Liverpool band, Cast.

A few more for you:
Ann Wilson - oh yes!


You just might know this one...


And for good ole rock 'n roll, you'd have to go along way to beat this. What a crowd, what a performance!

Yep whole heartedly agree, pun intended, with Heart.

I've been unfortunate enough to see Disturbed play that live. Not for me.

AC DC are AC DC. Great drinking music but when you've heard one AC DC song, you've heard them all.

In keeping with broadening horizons, here are some songs from bands who I like who sound very little like what you've linked.



In essence this is the music I most associate with myself, alt rock with big choruses.


Possibly the best headphones song there is. Ridiculously produced.


Bit heavier, but if you like guitar players then this guy is unbelievably talented.



And an example of something that has absolutely no connection to what you like and is really off the deep end for you. You won't be able to get your head round this. But is brilliant.
 
'...Morrissey is the best all round front man Britain has ever produced...' Now I KNOW you are taking the mickey! lol Never heard of Freddy Mercury? Never heard of Queen? Come on, be serious! Morrissey is garbage. As for Johnny Marr, strip away all the effects, and his playing can be said to be ordinary (same can be said for The Edge, whose sound is saturated with effects).

'...The first song could really do without the guitar worship for me. The guitar lines need to serve the song and all that soloing does is serve the blokes ego or I suppose other guitar players, like if I remember rightly, yourself...' His guitar style merged rock and jazz - it was in keeping with the style of the band. As a player, he was/is revered by other top players. When Patto toured with Ten Years After (heard of them), Alvin Lee (TYO guitarist, no slouch himself) stood at his side of the stage gobsmacked at what he was seeing and hearing. Many other famous names have acknlowledged his ability.

Joe Cocker took a bouncy Beatles song from the Sgt. Pepper album and turned it into a tour-de-force. Personal opinion, as we agree, at work here.

Styx took that Beatles song with that Youth Orchestra, and it is simply great for me to see those kids really enjoying playing the song. That's what it's all about - enjoyment in the moment.

The Las, as I said, were in at the start of of the whole Britpop thing - that song was late-1980s; Britpop/Indie hit in the '90s. And of course it led to John Power fronting another excellent Liverpool band, Cast.

A few more for you:
Ann Wilson - oh yes!


You just might know this one...


And for good ole rock 'n roll, you'd have to go along way to beat this. What a crowd, what a performance!


I’ll leave you two to slug it out, but I have to agree that those three are brilliant tracks to use as an example.

Anyway, please do carry on knocking lumps out of each other lol
 
Yep whole heartedly agree, pun intended, with Heart.

I've been unfortunate enough to see Disturbed play that live. Not for me.

AC DC are AC DC. Great drinking music but when you've heard one AC DC song, you've heard them all.

In keeping with broadening horizons, here are some songs from bands who I like who sound very little like what you've linked.



In essence this is the music I most associate with myself, alt rock with big choruses.


Possibly the best headphones song there is. Ridiculously produced.


Bit heavier, but if you like guitar players then this guy is unbelievably talented.



And an example of something that has absolutely no connection to what you like and is really off the deep end for you. You won't be able to get your head round this. But is brilliant.


The first two - I liked them so much that I pulled them up on youtube and listen to both tracks fully.

The second two, nah, not so much.

With regard to the first two, and the overdriven guitar(s), here's an example of the kind of rock that does it for me.


And here's another that can be considered 'outside of my generation', but this song just rocks!
 

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