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Whats yer stance on the new boss?

Up for it or nah or meh or gth out my club?


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I said if. In the end, he wasnt. But lets not pretend (again) its all on Rafael. He just walked out with 9 million of our money. Signing him, Koeman, Silva, Allardyce, they didnt do that themselves, did they? The problem we have is much deeper, and it remains to be seen if Lamps is that golden touch Moshiri was lacking.

I hope Lamps does well. And for what its worth, his connections might help attracting better players.
Rondon is 100% on your ace man Benitez.

Let's leave it there and just get behind the new manager.
 
The fact that was proved right away that quality young players wants to play for him shows that we made a great call, I am afraid to think who would we bring in if we appointed Pereira or even we gave Dunc opportunity until end of the season , I am thrilled to see positivity all around after very long 6 months of darkness
 
Benitez had money. Let's stop pretending he didn't.

If he didn't have any, we wouldn't have bought Mykolenko and Patterson well before selling Digne, because even our owner isn't stupid enough to rely on a sale happening after spending the money as how many times have deals broken down and if we were as close to FFP sanctions, they would not risk it.

Also in response to your other post that benitez should have been backed with this money, Lampard hasnt been backed with money. VDB maybe a small loan fee and Alli is effectively a free right now.
I disagree. You can blame Rafael all you want, it was Moshiri who allowed the sale of Digne in the first place, and then sacked Rafael 4 days later. Even if Digne sale was on, everyone knows selling players is what you do on the last day of the market ie yesterday. Thats how you get the big bucks. VdB is still on considerable wages and most probably so is Alli.
 

I have some concerns about his appointment but in fairness things are looking quite encouraging initially. He's put a good backroom team around him and has been a factor in our transfer dealings (even though it's a bit unbalanced). I'll be fully behind him.
 
I had a look back at similar polls when Martinez Koeman and Silva were appointed.

Although total votes varies, and in others there’s less options…..on this poll if you out options 1 and 3 together it would suggest positivity around this manager is higher than previously and is at 96%

Martinez and Silva you were looking at 85% roughly positive and Koeman 55%.
 
You know what, after watching his first interview I'm warming to the fellow, coupled with the new signings I'm starting to get that tingle again in anticipation for the fourth coming games, in stark contrast to hoping Covid cancelled them under Benny.
 

Have been vocal about having concerns about him. Slightly long post coming up, but stick with it until the end as there's some positives...

The Bad

  • I think he's effectively been parachuted into the good jobs before he got here. Derby, he's more or less admitted, gave him the job because of his dad and Chelsea gave him the job because he's Frank Lampard.
  • Derby, unlike now, were fairly big-spending at the time and I would argue he did more or less the bare minimum to have been considered to have done an acceptable job there. He didn't get them up, got one point fewer than Gary Rowett had the season before and the underlying data (xG etc) is a huge concern as it suggests they were one of the luckiest sides in recent years.
  • Chelsea - he was brought in during their transfer embargo and, as a result, benefitted from a slightly lower level of expectation, despite the fact he inherited a top 4 quality squad. His Chelsea side just about scraped into the top 4, largely due to how badly Leicester fell away at the end of the season and they had comfortably the worst defensive record in the division. The following season Chelsea invested big money to back him and, despite a promising start, he tailed off and got sacked while having a squad like that in 9th place. To illustrate the point further, the new manager comes in, turns it round immediately and then, to put the cherry on top, wins the Champions League.

I think there's enough there to harbour some doubts about the appointment.

I also didn't get the clamour for Lampard to be appointed boss, given the stuff above. It felt like it eventually became a binary choice between Lampard and Pereira and, while I understand the antipathy towards Pereira, I don't think either of them stand up that well to scrutiny and the bigger questions being asked should have been why they were the final two candidates, rather than why it wasn't obvious that Lampard was a no-brainer.

The Good

For balance though, it would be unfair to ignore the positives and potentially mitigating circumstances around the stuff above.

  • Derby - it was his first job. I've said he delivered the bare minimum, maybe it's unrealistic to expect anything more than that in your first season in your managerial career. He got further than Bielsa did in that season, so perhaps it's underplaying what he did.
  • Chelsea - the transfer ban meant a focus on bringing young players through, and whether it was forced or not, it's difficult to deny that he did this well. Mason Mount and Reece James are now England regulars, which they weren't close to before Lampard went there. The defensive record can be explained slightly by looking at Kepa's individual stats which were the worst in a good while for any top level keeper. The underlying data (xG etc) I've used against him in the Derby role are actually the opposite for his Chelsea spell - he comes out of it really well and it suggests Chelsea's results didn't do justice to how they played.
  • I think the style of play Lampard has had so far would probably go down well here, certainly more so than what we've seen over the last year.
  • I've been impressed with the back room team he's brought in. He appears to have been able to take some highly-rated Chelsea coaches and Paul Clement, whilst a failure as a manager, was a really well-respected coach so that's also potentially a clever move
  • There's little doubt that, for whatever reason, the fanbase seems to be fairly united behind the appointment. That bodes well. We absolutely need unity again and for the toxicity to dissipate. Whatever anyone says, an encouraging Goodison is much easier to play in than a hostile one
  • Listening to his interviews and reading some articles, it appears that he's spent a lot of time over the last 12 months reflecting on what mistakes he made and what he can improve. That's a positive. If he'd made excuses or looked to spread the blame (like a few ex-managers I can remember here) I'd have been more concerned.
  • He does seem to place a certain level of importance on younger players. That's something we will always get behind.

So, overall, I won't pretend that I think this is an appointment which was a no-brainer. I think it's fair to have reservations about it. That said, if I reflect back 4 weeks to how I felt on 1st January and how I feel today, it's night and day. I feel far more optimistic about our prospects than I did a month ago, so it can't be all bad?
 
I disagree. You can blame Rafael all you want, it was Moshiri who allowed the sale of Digne in the first place, and then sacked Rafael 4 days later. Even if Digne sale was on, everyone knows selling players is what you do on the last day of the market ie yesterday. Thats how you get the big bucks. VdB is still on considerable wages and most probably so is Alli.
Like the big bucks Arsenal have got for Aubemayang? Or how the current world transfer record was made mid-August nowhere near the final day of a window.

You could go through every PL club and look at their record signings and the vast majority, if not all, would have been made earlier in the window than the last day. Last day transfers have a greater chance of breaking down with no chance of resuscitating the deal.

You're simply making things up to show your support and loyalty to one of the worst managers in Everton's history.
 
Was a Potter advocate, and although it’s a risk I’m reasonably happy with Lampard, I’m just glad we jumped off the carrousel of failed manager’s and gone with someone who’s young and ambitious with hopefully new progressive idea. I think another Benitez or Allardyce may have seen me off with this club.
 
Have been vocal about having concerns about him. Slightly long post coming up, but stick with it until the end as there's some positives...

The Bad

  • I think he's effectively been parachuted into the good jobs before he got here. Derby, he's more or less admitted, gave him the job because of his dad and Chelsea gave him the job because he's Frank Lampard.
  • Derby, unlike now, were fairly big-spending at the time and I would argue he did more or less the bare minimum to have been considered to have done an acceptable job there. He didn't get them up, got one point fewer than Gary Rowett had the season before and the underlying data (xG etc) is a huge concern as it suggests they were one of the luckiest sides in recent years.
  • Chelsea - he was brought in during their transfer embargo and, as a result, benefitted from a slightly lower level of expectation, despite the fact he inherited a top 4 quality squad. His Chelsea side just about scraped into the top 4, largely due to how badly Leicester fell away at the end of the season and they had comfortably the worst defensive record in the division. The following season Chelsea invested big money to back him and, despite a promising start, he tailed off and got sacked while having a squad like that in 9th place. To illustrate the point further, the new manager comes in, turns it round immediately and then, to put the cherry on top, wins the Champions League.

I think there's enough there to harbour some doubts about the appointment.

I also didn't get the clamour for Lampard to be appointed boss, given the stuff above. It felt like it eventually became a binary choice between Lampard and Pereira and, while I understand the antipathy towards Pereira, I don't think either of them stand up that well to scrutiny and the bigger questions being asked should have been why they were the final two candidates, rather than why it wasn't obvious that Lampard was a no-brainer.

The Good

For balance though, it would be unfair to ignore the positives and potentially mitigating circumstances around the stuff above.

  • Derby - it was his first job. I've said he delivered the bare minimum, maybe it's unrealistic to expect anything more than that in your first season in your managerial career. He got further than Bielsa did in that season, so perhaps it's underplaying what he did.
  • Chelsea - the transfer ban meant a focus on bringing young players through, and whether it was forced or not, it's difficult to deny that he did this well. Mason Mount and Reece James are now England regulars, which they weren't close to before Lampard went there. The defensive record can be explained slightly by looking at Kepa's individual stats which were the worst in a good while for any top level keeper. The underlying data (xG etc) I've used against him in the Derby role are actually the opposite for his Chelsea spell - he comes out of it really well and it suggests Chelsea's results didn't do justice to how they played.
  • I think the style of play Lampard has had so far would probably go down well here, certainly more so than what we've seen over the last year.
  • I've been impressed with the back room team he's brought in. He appears to have been able to take some highly-rated Chelsea coaches and Paul Clement, whilst a failure as a manager, was a really well-respected coach so that's also potentially a clever move
  • There's little doubt that, for whatever reason, the fanbase seems to be fairly united behind the appointment. That bodes well. We absolutely need unity again and for the toxicity to dissipate. Whatever anyone says, an encouraging Goodison is much easier to play in than a hostile one
  • Listening to his interviews and reading some articles, it appears that he's spent a lot of time over the last 12 months reflecting on what mistakes he made and what he can improve. That's a positive. If he'd made excuses or looked to spread the blame (like a few ex-managers I can remember here) I'd have been more concerned.
  • He does seem to place a certain level of importance on younger players. That's something we will always get behind.

So, overall, I won't pretend that I think this is an appointment which was a no-brainer. I think it's fair to have reservations about it. That said, if I reflect back 4 weeks to how I felt on 1st January and how I feel today, it's night and day. I feel far more optimistic about our prospects than I did a month ago, so it can't be all bad?

Good post

When I chose the 3rd option on the poll it’s because I believe we should never have been in the position of appointing a new manager in January, let alone that it was down to the options we had. The right choice needed to be made with time and planning in the summer, instead they chose the clear favourite on the Stupid Appointments Don’t Do This Whatsoever list

In the situation we had and the small list of possibilities we seem to have had in the last couple weeks, I guess Lampard is an okay choice. A gamble but I’m not overly worried about failure.
 

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