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Whats yer stance on the new boss?

Up for it or nah or meh or gth out my club?


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Was dubious about Lampard when he was first linked, for many of the reasons cited by @toffeeblue9 above, but now he's got the job I'm fully behind him. Young, ambitious and a lot to prove after his Chelsea sacking and time out of the game. I'm also encouraged by the backroom staff he's brought in.

As for keeping Ferguson on - not a bad thing while Lampard and his team settle in but I think by the summer it may be best for everyone (and Duncan) if he moves on.
 
We've had a few managers as stubborn as oxes, Lampard seems more reflective - I just hope when things aren't going well he doesn't get that 'Marco Silva' look.

You can't really fault his playing credentials and he's done ok as a manager, let's hope he is improving - Clement seems like a sensible head to have around too, especially given our league position.

It's quite nice to have a young British manager too.
 
I think he's a douche of a human for mocking Americans in the airport while 9/11 was going on but he's apologized for it so I guess let's move on.

As a manager I think he's a great choice for us, he's young, he knows the modern game and isn't a dinosaur, I still want him to get Barry up here.
 

I think he’s acted very professionally and said some exciting things so far.

Obviously words are meaningless unless they can be backed up. But pro-active and the fact players want to play for him excites me.

It’s not Pereira, It’s not Ferguson… it’s brought some belief back, and that can’t be a bad thing, can it?
 
Too many of the ex managers fan boys in here. He has his own thread. Go cry a river over there.

This is Frank's thread.
I admit I was one who was sticking up for Benitez right up until the Norwich result ?
But I am totally made up with this appointment. Obviously time will tell how it works out but realistically we aren’t going to be smashing teams all of a sudden.
That said I think staying up is the minimum expectation and I’d like to think we will move a few places up the league and a more attacking style of football by the end of the season and that would be a decent start for him IMO.
 
I admit I was one who was sticking up for Benitez right up until the Norwich result ?
But I am totally made up with this appointment. Obviously time will tell how it works out but realistically we aren’t going to be smashing teams all of a sudden.
That said I think staying up is the minimum expectation and I’d like to think we will move a few places up the league and a more attacking style of football by the end of the season and that would be a decent start for him IMO.
On the form of the last 14 games, survival would be a decent start.

But yeah, with DCL and Richy back and new additions an evolutionary end to the season in a higher placing would be good.
 
Have been vocal about having concerns about him. Slightly long post coming up, but stick with it until the end as there's some positives...

The Bad

  • I think he's effectively been parachuted into the good jobs before he got here. Derby, he's more or less admitted, gave him the job because of his dad and Chelsea gave him the job because he's Frank Lampard.
  • Derby, unlike now, were fairly big-spending at the time and I would argue he did more or less the bare minimum to have been considered to have done an acceptable job there. He didn't get them up, got one point fewer than Gary Rowett had the season before and the underlying data (xG etc) is a huge concern as it suggests they were one of the luckiest sides in recent years.
  • Chelsea - he was brought in during their transfer embargo and, as a result, benefitted from a slightly lower level of expectation, despite the fact he inherited a top 4 quality squad. His Chelsea side just about scraped into the top 4, largely due to how badly Leicester fell away at the end of the season and they had comfortably the worst defensive record in the division. The following season Chelsea invested big money to back him and, despite a promising start, he tailed off and got sacked while having a squad like that in 9th place. To illustrate the point further, the new manager comes in, turns it round immediately and then, to put the cherry on top, wins the Champions League.

I think there's enough there to harbour some doubts about the appointment.

I also didn't get the clamour for Lampard to be appointed boss, given the stuff above. It felt like it eventually became a binary choice between Lampard and Pereira and, while I understand the antipathy towards Pereira, I don't think either of them stand up that well to scrutiny and the bigger questions being asked should have been why they were the final two candidates, rather than why it wasn't obvious that Lampard was a no-brainer.

The Good

For balance though, it would be unfair to ignore the positives and potentially mitigating circumstances around the stuff above.

  • Derby - it was his first job. I've said he delivered the bare minimum, maybe it's unrealistic to expect anything more than that in your first season in your managerial career. He got further than Bielsa did in that season, so perhaps it's underplaying what he did.
  • Chelsea - the transfer ban meant a focus on bringing young players through, and whether it was forced or not, it's difficult to deny that he did this well. Mason Mount and Reece James are now England regulars, which they weren't close to before Lampard went there. The defensive record can be explained slightly by looking at Kepa's individual stats which were the worst in a good while for any top level keeper. The underlying data (xG etc) I've used against him in the Derby role are actually the opposite for his Chelsea spell - he comes out of it really well and it suggests Chelsea's results didn't do justice to how they played.
  • I think the style of play Lampard has had so far would probably go down well here, certainly more so than what we've seen over the last year.
  • I've been impressed with the back room team he's brought in. He appears to have been able to take some highly-rated Chelsea coaches and Paul Clement, whilst a failure as a manager, was a really well-respected coach so that's also potentially a clever move
  • There's little doubt that, for whatever reason, the fanbase seems to be fairly united behind the appointment. That bodes well. We absolutely need unity again and for the toxicity to dissipate. Whatever anyone says, an encouraging Goodison is much easier to play in than a hostile one
  • Listening to his interviews and reading some articles, it appears that he's spent a lot of time over the last 12 months reflecting on what mistakes he made and what he can improve. That's a positive. If he'd made excuses or looked to spread the blame (like a few ex-managers I can remember here) I'd have been more concerned.
  • He does seem to place a certain level of importance on younger players. That's something we will always get behind.

So, overall, I won't pretend that I think this is an appointment which was a no-brainer. I think it's fair to have reservations about it. That said, if I reflect back 4 weeks to how I felt on 1st January and how I feel today, it's night and day. I feel far more optimistic about our prospects than I did a month ago, so it can't be all bad?

What do you mean by Chelsea ‘had comfortably the worst defensive record in the division’ ?
 
if we continue with same PPG that we have up til now, we would get 37pts which normally gets you to safety and this season even more so would likely guarantee it. Surely he can’t do worse than the first 20 games. It’s a fairly low bar
 

Was dubious about Lampard when he was first linked, for many of the reasons cited by @toffeeblue9 above, but now he's got the job I'm fully behind him. Young, ambitious and a lot to prove after his Chelsea sacking and time out of the game. I'm also encouraged by the backroom staff he's brought in.

As for keeping Ferguson on - not a bad thing while Lampard and his team settle in but I think by the summer it may be best for everyone (and Duncan) if he moves on.
In what capacity is Duncan being kept on as?
 
I like his enthusiasm, focus, and energy.

I want to see this from the touchline, it rubs off on the players. Especially some of ours that need a more "direct" form of encouragement.

I like to see active, vocal management, rather than half-hearted shouts with hands in pockets.
 

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