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Who would you replace Lampard with?

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Nymzee said:
I think it's hard for Americans to understand the impact of crowds when they have some NBA fans paying actual money to go watch their own team tank matches to try and finish bottom of the division to try and get a good player the next year. Psychological case study required there.
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It's actually not we just keep it in better perspective I think. The Warriors had amazing playoff crowds back in the day. It helped. The crowd did not win them the title.
 
TheBigIguana said:
It's actually not we just keep it in better perspective I think. The Warriors had amazing playoff crowds back in the day. It helped. The crowd did not win them the title.
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Have you played any team sports to a level above kindergarten?

If you visit an arena/stadium/place and the whole crowd is bouncing but it's 90% against you - what effect do you think it has? Why do you think teams strive for home court advantage in the NBA?
 
DualityNSNO said:
Have you played any team sports to a level above kindergarten?

If you visit an arena/stadium/place and the whole crowd is bouncing but it's 90% against you - what effect do you think it has? Why do you think teams strive for home court advantage in the NBA?
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I don't know why you're acting like I haven't just said it gives you an advantage. I just draw the line before "the crowd saved us from relegation."
 
TheBigIguana said:
It's actually not we just keep it in better perspective I think. The Warriors had amazing playoff crowds back in the day. It helped. The crowd did not win them the title.
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I actually agree with your underlying point here, that it would be good if the board didn't routinely just react to fan sentiment and make their decisions based on that. In this instance though, I do think the feelings of the fans are a key factor. The club has been divided and drifting for a good few years now, and for the first time in ages it feels like people are united and buying in to something. Throwing that away could set us back again, and that is really the last thing we need. For that reason Lampard should be given every opportunity to build something. At some point he'll need to do more than just be likeable and 'get us' but for now it's actually a pretty important thing.
 

Lanolin said:
I actually agree with your underlying point here, that it would be good if the board didn't routinely just react to fan sentiment and make their decisions based on that. In this instance though, I do think the feelings of the fans are a key factor. The club has been divided and drifting for a good few years now, and for the first time in ages it feels like people are united and buying in to something. Throwing that away could set us back again, and that is really the last thing we need. For that reason Lampard should be given every opportunity to build something. At some point he'll need to do more than just be likeable and 'get us' but for now it's actually a pretty important thing.
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I think it's important too. I also don't think he's the only manager around who can do that, and a different one might come with that added ability.

As I've said it's not time to change yet, I'm just not confident in it.
 
DualityNSNO said:
Hopefully you visit an actual football stadium to see the effect the crowd has so you can understand what literally everyone here is saying except you.
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North American soccer crowds, from my admittedly limited experience, are weird. Caught a Vancouver Whitecaps home game and it was subdued. Even when exciting stuff like goals happened, it was muted. It might just be the Vancouver experience, but it felt like a starter for the main event. Families out for the day, soccer early then the Ice Hockey next door. Which did seem to generate more excitement even pre-game around the venue.

Edit: we shouldn't sack Lampard.
 
Daveysgingerlovechild said:
North American soccer crowds, from my admittedly limited experience, are weird. Caught a Vancouver Whitecaps home game and it was subdued. Even when exciting stuff like goals happened, it was muted. It might just be the Vancouver experience, but it felt like a starter for the main event. Families out for the day, soccer early then the Ice Hockey next door. Which did seem to generate more excitement even pre-game around the venue.

Edit: we shouldn't sack Lampard.
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It's because MLS is a distant 5th in the North American team sports landscape, and it's something that's cheaper than the other sports for full families to do. To your point, it's just a day out for families.

Even your true football fans that might go the game with their mates are nothing like something you'd see in Europe - we only watch MLS b/c it's the only live footy we can watch. No one actually cares. Every fan of an MLS team follows some European team as their true passion.
 

Lanolin said:
I actually agree with your underlying point here, that it would be good if the board didn't routinely just react to fan sentiment and make their decisions based on that. In this instance though, I do think the feelings of the fans are a key factor. The club has been divided and drifting for a good few years now, and for the first time in ages it feels like people are united and buying in to something. Throwing that away could set us back again, and that is really the last thing we need. For that reason Lampard should be given every opportunity to build something. At some point he'll need to do more than just be likeable and 'get us' but for now it's actually a pretty important thing.
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Fans will turn without doubt you could already see it after Newcastle, i dont necessarily agree with it, but we would be fooling ourselves to believe people wont start getting antsy and beginning calling for change if we go 3-5 consecutive losses. The Palace result and performance cut it off at the pass.

Familiarity also breeds contempt, the longer he is here, the more people will be open to a change, equally expectations will grow, we might be happy being safe by March/April (hopefully), but expectations will grow again next season. Thats the game unfortunately and managers know the score, rightly or wrongly.

Personally i think we are three year job in my opinion to be challenging for 8th+ - that needs consistency and stability, but whether we have the leaders at the club in terms of board and owners or not, not to cave to fan sentiment - im not sure we do - we have made wrong decisions in the past based on fan public opinion, the club are very pliable to it in my opinion, which is no way to run a football club, as we have seen.
 
Nymzee said:
It's not time to change yet but you'd be happy if he resigned? Seems like a contradiction to me.
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If you want it to be. I think it's pretty easy to both not think he should get sacked today and also be fine with it happening because I feel confident better options exist.
 
Who should we replace Lampard with if we sacked him?

Right now I'd go for Lampard (assuming he was still available) as sacking him in the first place would be a bad mistake by the board (another one)
 
Nymzee said:
So you would be elated if he got sacked but don't want him sacked. Why do you want us to keep a manager you don't want?
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If we did it now whatever since we've got a month to let a new guy prepare. Otherwise you're probably better off waiting until the summer. Unless he starts to do longer term damage.

I also wouldn't mind if he just did better.
 

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