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[ToffeeMark]

SKY NEWS 09.24: UK soldiers told not to wear their uniforms in public

 

[kenada_blue]

SKY NEWS 09.24: UK soldiers told not to wear their uniforms in public

But Muslims should be fine to wear burkas and traditional clothes in public as nothing will happen to them, I guess.

Alright protecting that side, but what about Muslims who might be targeted by some yob on the back of it. Where's their protection?

 

[Tubey]

Yes you should answer the question.
Honestly are you saying there is not a problem in this country with Muslim extremists? Just a yes or no

Define "problem"?

I'm not ducking the question - but if there's a problem with Muslim extremism, then there's a problem with bee stings, as more people have been killed by bees and hornets since 2005 than by Muslims in Britain. Far more in fact. There was one large incident in 2005 and then yesterday where one guy was murdered by two lunatics. That's it. I'm not wishing to detract from the events of yesterday, but if people are determined to blame Islam for this crime and apparently say it's an endemic problem, then where are the stats to back it up?

There's a far bigger "problem" with racism in the UK. Let's put it this way, I don't see gangs of Muslims wearing balaclavas and setting fire to churches on the streets of Britain.

Again, let's look at this:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/02/birmingham-murder-racially-motivated-police

A 75-year-old man stabbed to death yards from his home may have been targeted in a racially motivated attack, according to police.

Mohammed Saleem, who used a walking stick, was stabbed three times in the back as he returned home from prayers at his local mosque in Small Heath, Birmingham, on Monday night.

The blows were struck with such violence they penetrated to the front of his body.

The father of seven also had no defensive wounds in what has been described as a swift, vicious and cowardly attack by the man leading the murder investigation, Detective Superintendent Mark Payne of West Midlands police.

Officers want to trace a white man, aged 25-32, of medium height and build, spotted on CCTV footage running near the scene of the attack around the time it happened, just before 10.30pm.

Change a few words in the above instance and it's effectively identical to yesterday but the other way round.

Where's the national outrage over that? Where's the twenty-four hour news coverage? Where's the COBRA meetings, despite the fact that the guy in this instance actually got away and could do it again!

There's a problem with the western world regarding Islamic extremism, 0.0001% at best of that entire religion, but there isn't a problem with Islam, the people who constitute the other 99.999%.

 

[Azzurri]

But Muslims should be fine to wear burkas and traditional clothes in public as nothing will happen to them, I guess.

Alright protecting that side, but what about Muslims who might be targeted by some yob on the back of it. Where's their protection?

Are you messing?

If they don't want to wear a Burka or whatever their other traditional gear is for fear of revenge attacks then they shouldn't.

Soldiers don't wear uniform to go the shops in because they like it, y'know. It's uniform.

Telling Muslims not to wear Burkas would cause even more uproar anyway.

 

[steken1]

But the two are not comparable in the slightest.

The IRA set out on a campaign to free their homeland from a foreign invader. The objective was to "free" their own people. In its essence it was defensive/reactive.

The perception amongst many westerners is that militant Islam is not looking to stop at the border once British/American troops leave Iraq/Afghanistan. Militant Islam appears to want to convert/destroy all non-believers and have hard line Islamic governments in power.

The perception therefore is "we" are under attack for not being strict Muslims as opposed to any perception in the IRA years that Brits were under attack because of something that Britain had done. The IRA wanted a free united Ireland NOT an Irish Britain.

Clearly a few know it all's in here who haven't got a clue and had no response. Great post.

Just to add the IRA also denounced violence and sought to push their agenda via political means. Can anybody see radical islamists doing the same.

 

[EFC Si]

Define "problem"?

I'm not ducking the question - but if there's a problem with Muslim extremism, then there's a problem with bee stings, as more people have been killed by bees and hornets since 2005 than by Muslims in Britain. Far more in fact. There was one large incident in 2005 and then yesterday where one guy was murdered by two lunatics. That's it. I'm not wishing to detract from the events of yesterday, but if people are determined to blame Islam for this crime and apparently say it's an endemic problem, then where are the stats to back it up?

There's a far bigger "problem" with racism in the UK. Let's put it this way, I don't see gangs of Muslims wearing balaclavas and setting fire to churches on the streets of Britain.

Again, let's look at this:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/02/birmingham-murder-racially-motivated-police



Change a few words in the above instance and it's effectively identical to yesterday but the other way round.

Where's the national outrage over that? Where's the twenty-four hour news coverage? Where's the COBRA meetings, despite the fact that the guy in this instance actually got away and could do it again!

There's a problem with the western world regarding Islamic extremism, 0.0001% at best of that entire religion, but there isn't a problem with Islam, the people who constitute the other 99.999%.

What a lot of people also don't realise too, is that all these bombings/suicide attacks we here about pretty much every week in the middle east, are by Islamic extremists against normal Muslims.

 

[PaulHayes_23]

After watching the video of the bloke with the meat cleaver, there's one thing I don't really understand.

He said that women see this all the time in our land? He has a Southern London accent. What land is he talking about? Being from Dagenham myself which is classed as East London, now plying my trade in Brentford I haven't seen any people being beheaded on the streets of London?

 

[kenada_blue]

Are you messing?

If they don't want to wear a Burka or whatever their other traditional gear is for fear of revenge attacks then they shouldn't.

Soldiers don't wear uniform to go the shops in because they like it, y'know. It's uniform.

Telling Muslims not to wear Burkas would cause even more uproar anyway.

They've asked soldiers not to wear uniform for their own safety. But if you do that, you have to suggest the same to a group who maybe be as much of a victim to revenge attacks.

And those garments holds as much importance to them as a uniform.

The point I'm making that I don't think it's necessary to tell soldiers to not wear uniform.

 

[Park8nd]

Tosser

 

[micknick]

Tosser

Erm??

 

[Jay]

As a Christian Lebanese {Arab} I am not surprised, what surprises me is how you still support them in Syria for example, all the west is supporting and arming the Islamists Terrorists against Asad.

Before USA’s invasion of Iraq, few million Christians lived in Iraq (local citizens) now they all are in Canada/Australia

Before the so called “Arab spring”, 8 million Christians used to live in Egypt, now they are under daily attacks

As for Syria, they all left the country and will never go back since Islamists are taking all their lands and belongings

If the West doesn’t wake up now you will end up like us (Muslims in Lebanon were 20% of the population less than 100 years ago, today they are 70% of the population) the same will happen in Europe, it is already happening anyway…..

 

[Bend it like Hinchcliffe]

Seems a lot of posters just dont want to address the fact; the fact that a MAN was mercilessly HACKED UP next to a school in one of our communites. The killers then proceeded to wait for a format of media to deliver their message.

This is a new occurance and needs addressing, surely..........surely.
Some posters just want to give counter arguements, that gets us nowhere, you cant counter the fact that this has happened.

 

[Brennan]

hang on Brennan

These few idiots do not represent Britain as a whole just as you say these Muslim nut jobs do not represent the entire Muslim community

I was taking the piss Del.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Seems a lot of posters just dont want to address the fact; the fact that a MAN was mercilessly HACKED UP next to a school in one of our communites. The killers then proceeded to wait for a format of media to deliver their message.

This is a new occurance and needs addressing, surely..........surely.
Some posters just want to give counter arguements, that gets us nowhere, you cant counter the fact that this has happened.

I agree, comparing the number of deaths caused by Islamic extremists to those killed by bee stings, completely illustrates that point.

This was an abhorrent act, carried out with an obvious intent to create fear within our communities.

Extremists who hold these sort of views have no place on our shores, the Muslim community needs to continue to distance themselves from these people, but with actions as well as words. If they are seen to be willing to expose these people within their own communities then we will see attitudes change amongst the rest of the population, until that happens, then these extremists will reflect on the general Muslim community, as there's mistrust at present imo.

 

[Del]

Define "problem"?

I'm not ducking the question - but if there's a problem with Muslim extremism, then there's a problem with bee stings, as more people have been killed by bees and hornets since 2005 than by Muslims in Britain. Far more in fact. There was one large incident in 2005 and then yesterday where one guy was murdered by two lunatics. That's it. I'm not wishing to detract from the events of yesterday, but if people are determined to blame Islam for this crime and apparently say it's an endemic problem, then where are the stats to back it up?

There's a far bigger "problem" with racism in the UK. Let's put it this way, I don't see gangs of Muslims wearing balaclavas and setting fire to churches on the streets of Britain.

Again, let's look at this:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/02/birmingham-murder-racially-motivated-police



Change a few words in the above instance and it's effectively identical to yesterday but the other way round.

Where's the national outrage over that? Where's the twenty-four hour news coverage? Where's the COBRA meetings, despite the fact that the guy in this instance actually got away and could do it again!

There's a problem with the western world regarding Islamic extremism, 0.0001% at best of that entire religion, but there isn't a problem with Islam, the people who constitute the other 99.999%.

Ive honestly missed gangs of white british males burning down Mosques in the news, Could you post some links please?