thebluefox
Player Valuation: £50m
buddy coyle would of walked into any team
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true but I mean players with 1st team premier league experience... I suppose you could say Mcaleny as played in the premier league... But I mean players to be released who go on to "bite us on the arse" and tbh I cant think of any player to do that in recent years...
You think we're good at youth development? The England team is far from good at the moment, yet we've only produced Rooney and Rodwell that have played for the full side during Moyes tenure. We're much better at buying older players from the lower leagues (Cahill, Lescott, Baines, Jags to name some) and polishing them than we are turning young players into international quality players.
Not saying we need to sack Moyes because I'm a big Moyes fan, but if we could improve that ratio it would help. Even if we produced more squad player types ala Osman and Hibbert it'd give us more depth.
Of course this isn't just an issue with Everton, as few sides seem good at turning youngsters into top players, but I don't care about the others as much as I do us. Given our financial constraints it'd be a big boost, both in terms of who we could sell and who could maybe help us progress.
Hey??? I am far from Anti Moyes...
Im just saying the players released have been released for a reason...
For me "English youth" talent is few and far between. You just have to look at the England team/squad yesterday. If Cleverley is the best we have to offer then unfortunatley this for me is the whole youth system in general, not Everton and certainly not Moyes....
We have produced players and made alot of money from them to name a few, Ball, Jeffers, Rooney and Rodwell.... how much there about 55 million
We have produced players and made alot of money from them to name a few, Ball, Jeffers, Rooney and Rodwell.... how much there about 55 million
No I think we're dreadful at it. I wasn't actually being sarcastic when I said that, which is unlike me, I know but there you go.
For God's sake, this again ?
Nobody is saying that we should have been giving the likes of Baxter and bloody Orenuga games constantly. The issue is that everybody i've spoken to who has watched Barkley for a good amount of time says that he's clearly a cut above the rest of our academy boys. Nobody is saying that we need to have a different kid playing every game, just that those who clearly have the ability should get more of a chance.
Nobody is saying that we should have been giving the likes of Baxter and bloody Orenuga games constantly. The issue is that everybody i've spoken to who has watched Barkley for a good amount of time says that he's clearly a cut above the rest of our academy boys. Nobody is saying that we need to have a different kid playing every game, just that those who clearly have the ability should get more of a chance.
ToffeeBlueNose
Player Valuation: £30m
If they were good enough they would still be here it's that simple. At any club out of the waves of youth players only a handful ever really make the grade. Man Utd's golden generation was a rarity not many clubs will produce 6 or 7 players at the same time who are able to step into the first team and become mainstays for the team.
Go back before Moyes how many of our youth came through? Unsworth, Ebbrell, Ball maybe Dunne and Jeffers(although we got a great deal for him) are probably the only one who sustained a first team place, branch, barlow, cadermarteri, chadwick, kissock, schumacher all had game time but ultimately weren't good enough and let go.
Give youth a chance of course but not just for the sake of it they have to be good enough to warrant playing first team football. It's just a pity that for so long reserve team football has been so poor that it doesn't really aid development much.
Go back before Moyes how many of our youth came through? Unsworth, Ebbrell, Ball maybe Dunne and Jeffers(although we got a great deal for him) are probably the only one who sustained a first team place, branch, barlow, cadermarteri, chadwick, kissock, schumacher all had game time but ultimately weren't good enough and let go.
Give youth a chance of course but not just for the sake of it they have to be good enough to warrant playing first team football. It's just a pity that for so long reserve team football has been so poor that it doesn't really aid development much.
chrismpw
Player Valuation: £70m
I like Moyes and I think he has a good eye for a player. Some just don't work out and it can come from having the wrong type of personality on a daily basis. This might not show for a while so gets passed on a trial.
However, where I do think he has a problem is in undervaluing player confidence. Confidence is a massive part of any professional's game (look at Andy Murray). I think where Moyes is poor is that he doesn't give youngsters their head enough. Barclay being rammed back from the first team last year must have been a right downer for him, whether the right thing to do or not. In my opinion he should have been given another go, every now and then, to let him know he was valued.
However, where I do think he has a problem is in undervaluing player confidence. Confidence is a massive part of any professional's game (look at Andy Murray). I think where Moyes is poor is that he doesn't give youngsters their head enough. Barclay being rammed back from the first team last year must have been a right downer for him, whether the right thing to do or not. In my opinion he should have been given another go, every now and then, to let him know he was valued.
toffeechris
Player Valuation: £6m
rooney wasnt forced to leave he made it clear he wanted to join united even in his new book he says ferguson was tapping him up even at a very young age ringing his parents to see how he was getting on and fair play to him infact think rooney tranfer money prob saved us at the time as we badly need money
toffeechris
Player Valuation: £6m
bar rodwell and rooney both young players we got good money for there isnt many if any young players we have let go that have gone on to prove us wrong by letting them go sure few play at lower level but not many have come bk to hurt us so all in all think we get it right with players to let go and players to hold on to!
Gwladys Nights
Player Valuation: £15m
John Ruddy's the only one I can think of. Now a Premier League #1 and occasional England squad member. I think the next best contender is Danny Fox, who might have been a half-decent back-up to Baines if kept. It's not like we'd have needed him very often, though.
After that it gets really hard to point the finger at Moyes. Was that Keith Southern released by Moyes? I suppose he could've done a job when Li Tie got injured.
toffeestillidie
Player Valuation: £35m
macclesfield, on loan from luton.
steken1
Player Valuation: £70m
Agree, forgot about Ruddy. He's a better goalie than howard.
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