John from Bootle
Player Valuation: £15m
Yet weirdly, both Tim and Mangala have started games. Sometimes with Doucoure and Garner on the bench. I think it's a position he likes to tinker with.
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Yet weirdly, both Tim and Mangala have started games. Sometimes with Doucoure and Garner on the bench. I think it's a position he likes to tinker with.
It's not a disaster at all. Plenty of players don't see eye to eye with their manager - they aren't all there to be mates. In regards to the relationship with a manager it is like lots of other jobs. Professionals crack on regardless understanding that unless something is wildly unreasonable or unfair then the person in charge is in charge.
We've seen it plenty of times when there's genuine issues players effectively down tools. DCL may or may not be enjoying playing under Dyche but he's not tossing it off.
If the club comes to the table with a certain amount of money he signs the deal. He, or more accurately his agent(s), will likely already have had figures put their way by other interested parties.
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Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
I’ve never said any game is an expected loss. Some games are obviously more difficult than others. Equally no game is an expected win, especially for teams as poor as we are.
It is utterly ridiculous for Everton fans of this current team to go around saying Ipswich away is an expected win.
You have a better chance of winning fame against poorer teams especially at home; that’s obvious and is the same for any team in the league but it’s honestly the language of entitlement all this ‘no excuses if we don’t beat Ipswich’ ‘should be a comfortable win’ ‘that was an expected win’ - it’s ridiculous talk and equally as ridiculous as people saying expected losses.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
It’s perhaps marginally better although the injuries aren’t helping it at the moment.
As I’ve said I think we have the 13th best squad in the league on paper. I don’t know where we sit on wages but we’ve been culling that back too recently.
Just because Dyche didn’t start Onana in the later part of last season doesn’t mean he wasn’t important last season, you surely know this yet get obsessed on a detail that doesn’t have hardly any relevance overall. Did we have Onana available last season for a lot of games? Yes. Do we have him now? No. That is the main point not whether he started or not in your arbitrary sample of games to prove an agenda.
The day Dyche starts underperforming the inherent quality of the squad over an entire season you may start to have a point but if we keep giving him bottom half squads you can’t be shocked when we end up there.
Instead of asking a manager that you seemingly think is a complete idiot to significantly outperform all his peers who are all spending more money than he is, maybe you should be asking the club to give managers squads of players actually capable of delivering the points totals you want.
Want to finish in the top 7? The best way to do it would be to buy so many good players that when you rank the squads in quality from top down there’s 13 other squads you wouldn’t swap ours for. Its a much more likely way of getting improvement than giving a manager a squad that’s probably 13th best in the league and then shrieking at him all season for coming 12th.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
N’Diaye was a Dyche player, he didn’t want him, he won’t use him, he won’t start him, he’ll drop him for his favourites as soon as he can, he’ll train it out of him
A few games later ‘Ndiaye is a massive upgrade’ probably will be our player of the year, it’s therefore a better squad that Dyche should be doing more with.
It’s honestly ridiculous.
Iroegbunam won’t make any significant impact under Dyche, he doesn’t play young players, I bet he doesn’t play any new signings
A few games later: you can’t use the sale of Onana as any sort of excuse because Iroegbunam has come in and is probably better and Dyche didn’t start Onana in this specific set of games anyway
The semantic gymnastics on here just to keep some oddly weird agendas against the manager going are ridiculous
We brought him in to do a job, he’s done it, he’ll be going in the summer or earlier once the takeover is complete…yet some of you are doing alternative fixture comparisons and guessing which players he didn’t personally select from summer signings (even though he’s playing them every game) for a bottom half football manager managing a bottom half squad that we brought in to keep us in the PL until we changed owners and got in the new stadium. It’s honestly quite ridiculous the lengths people are going to to prove what point?
If the critics honestly ever said any of this stuff to Dyche can you imagine the reaction?
‘Erm Sean I’d prefer it if you had played Mina sooner in 23, I don’t believe his injury stories as he was sometimes on the bench, then remember those two games you didn’t play Branthwaite, I don’t believe he was injured either, also do you remember Brighton at home, I can’t believe you played Young over Roman Dixon. There’s also a lot of us who believe a rumour you didn’t want some of the players you’ve brought in even though you play them every week. Now about our entertainment and enjoyment…..
Dyche: ‘kept the club in the league and improved the league position by 12 points all whilst turning the only transfer profit in the league and reducing the wage bill which has ensured the future of the club. You’re welcome’
But you can only go off the manager of the day. Lampard would probably do worse with this squad, I think a lot of managers would do better. Emery in 6 months took villa from the bottom 6 to top 6, I bet quite a few villa fans were on forums saying what do expect Gerrard to do with these players
Last season on that bad run, it was we have one of the worst 3 squads in the prem and even heard some saying it’s a championship squad, which was utter nonsense , fans making the same excuses the manager does and it’s no different to me saying these players can play better, until we get a different manager we don’t know, you’re already saying the best we can do is 13th, so if we finish 16th you can say,
Well look at the var decisions or the injuries, 16th is the best we could have done and another great job by tbe miracle worker
It’s still early days and we’ve had a decent run of fixtures in the last 4 we’ve played 2 likely to go down and another likely to be in tbe bottom 6. We’ve definitely had the easiest first 11 games of the whole league It’s the next few games where we don’t have the ball that players like Ndaiye become redundant. He also a number 10 but dyche isn’t playing in his best position at the minute.
Long term to get the best of of good players you need to play to
Their strengths and that’s not sitting back and have 30% possession
MikeH72
Player Valuation: £100m
At least we now all seem to be in unanimous agreement that finishing around or below 15th would be a catastrophic failure based on the quality and value of our squad compared to its peers, like Ipswich who are still full of players that played for them in League 1.
Ipswich spent a 100mil in the summer though, look what dyche is dealing with,
Using him own money to pay for the halftime oranges
John from Bootle
Player Valuation: £15m
Spot on mate. Then you've got all the distractions. and handicaps - points deductions, on/off takeovers, an interim board, PSR compliance and an absentee owner.
He really has done an admirable job in keeping the players focused, motivated, and mentally resolute. We've seen clubs in a state of shambles before; Leeds, Newcastle, Villa, and you could smell it coming. You looked at them and knew they were headed for relative doom.
I don't think too many people outside of Evertonian's would have entirely blamed Dyche if we'd sunk like a stone.
Is it ridiculous?
I mean, I can see you could make it seem ridiculous if you constructed a singular person to hold both of those opinions in succession for the sake of your own argument.
You hear contradictory things on a forum all the time. It's because different people think and say different things.
As far as I'm concerned, I expect Dyche to improve on last season given he has a better squad than last season.
I don't think that's unreasonable.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
Stop assigning sweeping conclusions to people who haven’t said that.
If I think we’ve got the 13th best squad and we finish ‘around’ 15th how the hell is that a catastrophic failure? So if we finish 14th with the 13th best squad in the league it’s a catastrophic failure? Grow up.
I’ve said many times I want to see us improve on last season, but you know what there’s 19 other teams in the league all trying to do the same. I’d be disappointed with 15th, but catastrophic failure? Ridiculous.
Is it a brilliant success in your view if he finishes 11th or 12th then?
What you call 'entitlement' I call justified expectation for a club our size. If we lose it, we lose it, but I won't be blowing smoke up a manager along with his own self smoke blowing for winning it.
City fans absolutely expect wins at promoted sides and to say otherwise is deluded.
Just not buying what you're selling lad, I expect more than being satisfied with surviving relegation battles.
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
No one is satisfied with where Everton are. You seem to be completely unaware of the reality of where the football club is.
Expextations for a club of our size and history are that we challenge for the league every season and win trophies but just having that doesn’t mean it’s going to happen or that we have a right for it to happen.
Every fan expects more yet you and others are making our you somehow have higher aspirations for Everton than other fans, let’s be clear you don’t, every fan wants Everton to be at the top of the game, all you have is a delusion of where we currently are and what is possible.
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