2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[cjuk87]

You’re looking at the last game in isolation, we had a lower XG v Newcastle 0.69 and palace 1.1.

We had 1.34 against Brighton and they had 2.87, do you know what score it was? 5-1 to Everton.

Kick Nerds Out Of Football

 

[DualityNSNO]

We had 1.34 against Brighton and they had 2.87, do you know what score it was? 5-1 to Everton.

Kick Nerds Out Of Football

Great example mate, that 1 time it happened out of ~100 is definitely the norm.

 

[marsh]

I expected Europe so this isn't good enough

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

We have definitely strengthened the squad in attack. One could argue that Ndiaye has raised that bar for the squad by himself - what a breath of fresh air he is.

In midfield, we lost Onana, the merits of whom we've debated over countless pages of GOT threads. Regardless how you feel about him, he was at worst an average midfield body with upside. We replaced him with the guy from Villa we had zero expectations for and Mangala. So let's call that, at best, a wash. We still have Doucoure plying his trade out there.

However, it's in defence we are no better than last season - just look at how bad we've been in defence without JB in there. Add to that our geriatric fullbacks, and we're not far from serious trouble.

Expectations? I think they should be to finish around where we did last season, without the points deductions. Our ceiling with this squad might be 5 points north of that, but a lot would need to go our way.

Realistically, this is another season we just need to slog through before we get into our new stadium and get the ownership situation sorted. Dyche has, on the whole, steered us through some choppy waters to get to this place.

 

[Toffeepot]

If Dyche delivers a mid table finish your expectations are therefore met then? Where they met last season having earned 48 points?

It was an improvement yes
And now I want further improvement with a better squad and more of his own agreed transfers in.
Basically I want no more relegation chatter. People happy to go along with that belittling if our club just sound like Benitez to me, who came in criticising everything about the club while bringing it backwards on the pitch.
We're simply better than that and I want Dyche to not talk us down either in order to make himself look better. He's not at Burnley anymore and it would be good if he acted like it.

 

[Delargeinho]

The difference between us & Bournemouth is money spent. Since 2023 our net spend is +£96.25mill. Their's is -£137.18mill. Big factor in the equation.

It is a difference, and has to be considered.

but you have to invest money wisely. Moshiri can tell a thing or two about that.

 

[mikel_88]

If Dyche delivers a mid table finish your expectations are therefore met then? Where they met last season having earned 48 points?

If we get mid table then yes still want see him make the team play better football like the end of last season. Most of the bournemouth game showed they have it in them

 

[cjuk87]

My expectation is that the team that finished 1 point from top half last season, and have improved the squad (even slightly) should go to games against newly promoted sides and be able to and be expected to win.

Pssst, Carlo lost to Southampton, Leeds, Burnley and Sheff United. He also drew with Burnley and Leicester. It's not a new thing for Everton to lose these games. We literally say "Everton that" about everything.

Now expectation is fine, I agree with you 100%, but the reality is, in most of our life times, we haven't been a stable club who simply turns up, does the job and goes home. I'm still checking the score now, to make sure I didn't get it wrong.

 

[cjuk87]

Great example mate, that 1 time it happened out of ~100 is definitely the norm.

Thanks mate, I needed a bit of a boost today. A bit of praise goes a long way. Appreciate it.

 

[Saint Domingo]

We have definitely strengthened the squad in attack. One could argue that Ndiaye has raised that bar for the squad by himself - what a breath of fresh air he is.

In midfield, we lost Onana, the merits of whom we've debated over countless pages of GOT threads. Regardless how you feel about him, he was at worst an average midfield body with upside. We replaced him with the guy from Villa we had zero expectations for and Mangala. So let's call that, at best, a wash. We still have Doucoure plying his trade out there.

However, it's in defence we are no better than last season - just look at how bad we've been in defence without JB in there. Add to that our geriatric fullbacks, and we're not far from serious trouble.

Expectations? I think they should be to finish around where we did last season, without the points deductions. Our ceiling with this squad might be 5 points north of that, but a lot would need to go our way.

Realistically, this is another season we just need to slog through before we get into our new stadium and get the ownership situation sorted. Dyche has, on the whole, steered us through some choppy waters to get to this place.

Amen

 

[DualityNSNO]

Thanks mate, I needed a bit of a boost today. A bit of praise goes a long way. Appreciate it.

You're welcome mate, any time x

 

[blueboy72]

We had 1.34 against Brighton and they had 2.87, do you know what score it was? 5-1 to Everton.

Kick Nerds Out Of Football

I agree but last season early on dyche himself was mentioning XG on every presser and so was his fan boys, funny this season not so
Much as we’ve lost the XG most games

 

[trueblue84]

I agree but last season early on dyche himself was mentioning XG on every presser and so was his fan boys, funny this season not so
Much as we’ve lost the XG most games

Dyche is a ginger nerd.

 

[Saint Domingo]

It was an improvement yes
And now I want further improvement with a better squad and more of his own agreed transfers in.
Basically I want no more relegation chatter. People happy to go along with that belittling if our club just sound like Benitez to me, who came in criticising everything about the club while bringing it backwards on the pitch.
We're simply better than that and I want Dyche to not talk us down either in order to make himself look better. He's not at Burnley anymore and it would be good if he acted like it.

Most of that has come from his critics though panicking after a handful of games. I think most people would be very disappointed if we ended up in a serious relegation battle this season again. We wouldn’t have been in one last season at all were it not for points deductions.

Pointing out genuine problems and the reality of a situation isn’t talking the club down. I can’t remember Dyche ever saying anything about Everton being smaller than anyone else, not deserving to be higher etc. Moshiri did this with his expected losses, Koeman did this , Allardyce did this, even Moyes sometimes was guilty of this. Ive heard Dyche talk about the reality of the hand he inherited and the problems at the club I’ve not heard him talk us down. They’re not the same thing.

As for season on season progression, if he achieves it, which all fans hope he does, he’ll be the first Everton manager in ten years since David Moyes to do it in consecutive seasons. Most of those probably weren’t running a transfer profit in the same period either.

A view showing points improvement for all managers in the league vs money spent (e.g points per pound) would probably show a very different story about the job that has been done and the difficulty in doing it.

 

[Delargeinho]

I think the strengthening the squad thing is a bit of a stretch personally. N'diaye would probably be classed as a strengthening purely based off what he's done so far rather than being a clear improvement on paper, but overall I think it's difficult to argue that this years squad is obviously better than last years. If it is, it's due to good management/and or work by the DoF rather than being a simple case of us 'strengthening' in a conventional sense. That's leaving aside the entire premise of what you're saying being a bit simplistic in its own right.

We have improved our squad as well as most clubs like Forest, Fulham or Bournemouth.

Bare minimium last season was 36 points, but probably is around 45 now.