2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[blueboy72]

You can check if I'm nowhere to be seen, you know. It's a boring comment, I am on GOT a bit too much for my liking.

Not you the guy on the link from twitter, he’s constantly bigging dyche up

 

[blueboy72]

Im now ‘on the fence’ with Dyche. I was totally for his firing but the Ipswich result was good. However the next 4 games are crucial. On paper v difficult but Dyche needs to convince the fans we can do more than beat bottom feeders. 6 pts is my minimum…

So we beat the worst side in the league and all of a sudden that Makes everything better

 

[Delargeinho]

If we have 5/6 games at end of season after securing safety, it’s an ideal opportunity. I know we had a few games last season (was it 3 or 4?) and he changed nothing, but 5/6 is a decent amount of time to try to introduce some new patterns of play.

He is a pragmatist manager though, like Allardyce. And Allardyce changed nothing despite getting us safe with like 8 games to go or something. So it’s about whether he can be anything more than a pragmatist.

Jep, I prefer pragmatism over someone like Martin of Southampton that wants to look one of the worst sides in the league like Pep city. 1p in 8 games, with 1p in home games vs Forest, Leicester or Ipswich.

However.

I am always biased torwards Andoni Iraola. Dyche and him both have had 16 months available to implement their idea. They both have the idea to play direct football using a lot of long balls in general and both had a team at the start that just avoided relegation. You see Bournemouth on the pitch clearly more mature and progressing over the last season despite losing Solanke. Everton with better footballing quality not really.

Same goes to Fulham for me.

That Bournemouth spent 2,5x more during the same time. It's a factor to consider for sure. But you don't see a lot of impact that the coaching had to implement a certain style during the attack in the most matches.

 

[bluestevon]

Consider this for one awful moment... would 777 have failed an EFL Championship-level director's audit?

And there lyeth the remains of EFC, a half built stadium rotting away on receivership accounts a testament to the profligacy of the BK and Mosh reign. And a decade then of dodging the path of Bolton, Blackburn, Wigan, and bigger outfits Sunderland, Newcastle, Villa, Saints etc - solely reliant upon the strength of L4 and a fan base prepared for another decade of thin.

We need to appraise Dyche in terms of the path we have also NOT gone down in his tenure.

Your points are true in theory, btw. I agree. And they should be more true of Everton, but this is Everton post-Kenwright and not quite post-Mosh, so we're still living out their debt-trap. Imagine leading training with guys like Dele Alli, Tosun in a relegation battle, when your values are effort, concentration, clean sheets.

Dyche's worked through that with what I think will be a hat-trick of creditable league results under phenomenal ownership struggles. We're still rectifying a squad that had in mentality run dry under Lamps (who I otherwise thought did OK in terms of respecting players and the club). I believe we WERE down.

Dyche's taken a risk-averse approach in surviving that and what woulda been a catastrophic financial backwards step.

• We still have no full backs ( I love Coleman, epic player for Everton but quite naturally he's not flying down the flanks putting in quality crosses and scoring so much these days, but total respect Seamus )
• We have no midfielders that would be automatic first choices in other teams, barring maybe some of the bottom three.
• DCL still spurning chances weekly that could have us higher, but at least Sean is getting more games from him
• Our football is improving slowly (it needs to evolve further!)
• Ndiaye looks a signing

I think we'll be fine and we need to say thanks Sean. I would like to see him get one season in BMD but think he won't be rewarded with that. He'll probably go and keep some other club up and save them collapse instead.

If Dyche with his brand of utter negative football which is frankly the worst to eat h in the entire league Leeds us out at BMD then it'll be a stain on the very first season at the new ground.

He was brought in for one thing, to keep us up till the ground move and takeover, both are imminent, he did his job, goodbye and good riddance to his anti football

 

[Blast_of_Cannock]

Jep, I prefer pragmatism over someone like Martin of Southampton that wants to look one of the worst sides in the league like Pep city. 1p in 8 games, with 1p in home games vs Forest, Leicester or Ipswich.

However.

I am always biased torwards Andoni Iraola. Dyche and him both have had 16 months available to implement their idea. They both have the idea to play direct football using a lot of long balls in general and both had a team at the start that just avoided relegation. You see Bournemouth on the pitch clearly more mature and progressing over the last season despite losing Solanke. Everton with better footballing quality not really.

Same goes to Fulham for me.

That Bournemouth spent 2,5x more during the same time. It's a factor to consider for sure. But you don't see a lot of impact that the coaching had to implement a certain style during the attack in the most matches.

The difference between us & Bournemouth is money spent. Since 2023 our net spend is +£96.25mill. Their's is -£137.18mill. Big factor in the equation.

 

[twoblue]

Not really. We forget we spent a lot of money prior to the more recent years of austerity so there would have been a baseline market value of player in our squad (not what we bought them for which was well over market value).

This squad season to season should have at least been stronger than the newly promoted teams over those years and more recently. So yes we’ve not spent anything, but our foundations in terms of squad player should have at least been more favourably comparable to the the number of newer clubs promoted season after season. Over those years we still probably have four or five clubs who come from a lower squad standing.

5years of austerity. Only Dcl, Pickford, doucoure, Keane playing from prior that. Richarlison was the only other significant sale from purchases from that period.
we hardly lay the foundations down during that spending period.

Clearly weaker: Ipswich, Southampton

Slight worse: Wolves, Brentford, Leicester

Same level: Bmouth, Forest, Everton, Palace

Slightly better: Fulham

I think that's my bottom half ranking.


And I do agree, that Leicester side that got relegated with Maddison, Barnes, Tielemans was probably the best team to get relegated in the last few years and should have achieved mid-table.

Had by far the best team in the championship with some internationals that started in knockout- European rounds. Surely a competitive squad for the league to stay up.

pretty much agree with that, although i would lump Brentford wolves in the comparable list

 

[bobbymill]

5years of austerity. Only Dcl, Pickford, doucoure, Keane playing from prior that. Richarlison was the only other significant sale from purchases from that period.
we hardly lay the foundations down during that spending period.


pretty much agree with that, although i would lump Brentford wolves in the comparable list

 

[njligernj]

The difference between us & Bournemouth is money spent. Since 2023 our net spend is +£96.25mill. Their's is -£137.18mill. Big factor in the equation.

Since 2023. Is this a joke? Did I fall into a coma and wake up in a year not 2024 so this doesn’t sound insane? What’s the value of the players on the pitch? Who had the most valuable team playing the game in reality? Was the game played exclusively with players purchased in that time range? If not, I genuinely don’t think it matters.

In this thread we have people carving up Dyches record to just away games against just a certain set of teams. We also have people carving up player transfer costs to find a period which looks better for him. Man. I wish I had people carrying water for me like you all do for free with Dyche. Well if we compare just games played on October 19 from just the years 2006 and 2021 Dyche does better than Pep!

Regardless. Glad we got the win. Onwards and upwards!

 

[Toffeepot]

I'm happy with the win but it should be an expected win. We've had the bar too low for too long
Dyche better not rock up to the presser smirking 'ooh it's not as cold in here, we must've won a game' as if we had no right to be bothered by such a poor win record.
I expect us to get 4-6 pts from each of the promoted teams this season

 

[Toffeepot]

Man. I wish I had people carrying water for me like you all do for free with Dyche. Well if we compare just games played on October 19 from just the years 2006 and 2021 Dyche does better than Pep!

And don't you forget it! Double the Grizzled Pep on Burnt Toast's paycheck

 

[Blast_of_Cannock]

Since 2023. Is this a joke? Did I fall into a coma and wake up in a year not 2024 so this doesn’t sound insane? What’s the value of the players on the pitch? Who had the most valuable team playing the game in reality? Was the game played exclusively with players purchased in that time range? If not, I genuinely don’t think it matters.

In this thread we have people carving up Dyches record to just away games against just a certain set of teams. We also have people carving up player transfer costs to find a period which looks better for him. Man. I wish I had people carrying water for me like you all do for free with Dyche. Well if we compare just games played on October 19 from just the years 2006 and 2021 Dyche does better than Pep!

Regardless. Glad we got the win. Onwards and upwards!

I should have said since the 2022/23 season. My mistake. Still a good reason why it's easier to implement a style of play when you can spend on improving the playing squad, rather than getting whatever players the selling team will let you have for little down-payment, whilst selling the only players worth keeping.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I'm happy with the win but it should be an expected win. We've had the bar too low for too long
Dyche better not rock up to the presser smirking 'ooh it's not as cold in here, we must've won a game' as if we had no right to be bothered by such a poor win record.
I expect us to get 4-6 pts from each of the promoted teams this season

He is such erroneous knobhead has no sense of self when he pulls that nonsense. If he can get 5 points or more from the next 3 matches he has cause to celebrate. And Everton will be just be where they should be currently.

 

[blueboy72]

I should have said since the 2022/23 season. My mistake. Still a good reason why it's easier to implement a style of play when you can spend on improving the playing squad, rather than getting whatever players the selling team will let you have for little down-payment, whilst selling the only players worth keeping.

Thelwell offered dyche 8 players we could get and he said no, he wanted Calvin Phillips and tripier. Look how well Philips did in Saturday. You can’t always use the excuse we have no money.

 

[Saint Domingo]

I'm happy with the win but it should be an expected win. We've had the bar too low for too long
Dyche better not rock up to the presser smirking 'ooh it's not as cold in here, we must've won a game' as if we had no right to be bothered by such a poor win record.
I expect us to get 4-6 pts from each of the promoted teams this season

Did City with the best squad and manger in the history of the league only just win away at Wolves who are bottom thanks to a set piece in injury time and could have easily been 2 down? Have they not lost to Norwich in previous campaigns?

Villa, Fulham, and Brighton have all dropped points at Portman road.

‘It should be an expected win’ - even City fans wouldn’t be having this level of entitlement, utterly ridiculous. No fixture in the PL is an expected win. We were in our 2nd consecutive relegation battle to pretty much the last day just over a year ago and now you’re talking about ‘expected’ away wins?!!

There’s a difference between having the bar too low a ridiculous entitlement. Every Everton fan hopes to win every game but you can’t just expect to go to premier elague away grounds and easily win just because we’re called Everton.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Thelwell offered dyche 8 players we could get and he said no, he wanted Calvin Phillips and tripier. Look how well Philips did in Saturday. You can’t always use the excuse we have no money.

You can’t ignore money either which you seemingly want to. Its one of the biggest determinations of success in football and our positive transfer spend is just written off as irrelevant by some on here.