2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[MikeH72]

Stop assigning sweeping conclusions to people who haven’t said that.

If I think we’ve got the 13th best squad and we finish ‘around’ 15th how the hell is that a catastrophic failure? So if we finish 14th with the 13th best squad in the league it’s a catastrophic failure? Grow up.

I’ve said many times I want to see us improve on last season, but you know what there’s 19 other teams in the league all trying to do the same. I’d be disappointed with 15th, but catastrophic failure? Ridiculous.

Is it a brilliant success in your view if he finishes 11th or 12th then?

I didn’t even mention you once.

 

[jazzy]

It’s perhaps marginally better although the injuries aren’t helping it at the moment.

As I’ve said I think we have the 13th best squad in the league on paper. I don’t know where we sit on wages but we’ve been culling that back too recently.

Just because Dyche didn’t start Onana in the later part of last season doesn’t mean he wasn’t important last season, you surely know this yet get obsessed on a detail that doesn’t have hardly any relevance overall. Did we have Onana available last season for a lot of games? Yes. Do we have him now? No. That is the main point not whether he started or not in your arbitrary sample of games to prove an agenda.


The day Dyche starts underperforming the inherent quality of the squad over an entire season you may start to have a point but if we keep giving him bottom half squads you can’t be shocked when we end up there.

Instead of asking a manager that you seemingly think is a complete idiot to significantly outperform all his peers who are all spending more money than he is, maybe you should be asking the club to give managers squads of players actually capable of delivering the points totals you want.

Want to finish in the top 7? The best way to do it would be to buy so many good players that when you rank the squads in quality from top down there’s 13 other squads you wouldn’t swap ours for. Its a much more likely way of getting improvement than giving a manager a squad that’s probably 13th best in the league and then shrieking at him all season for coming 12th.

I find it hard to disagree with much of your statement but I do think that creatively Dyche has far better options available to him this season.

I also think that the squad this season is quite a bit better ( Thelwell is to thank for that but boy I wish he could unearth a forward).

I'm not convinced that Dyche gets the best out of our midfield but as long as he keeps us up and is gone by the end of the season I'm not going to obsess about it , especially as I no longer go every week and therefore don't have to sit through it.

What I do disagree with ( and I'm not sure that you've expressly said this in this post) is the notion that if you increase the budget and give Dyche better players that you will get better football.

Yes you may well get better results ( particularly if we had a forward who could actually finish ) but my strong conviction is that Dyche would continue to bypass midfield and play percentage football.

It's not a way to rebuild a team that has the ambition to get back to the upper echelons of the PL

 

[Blue peter]

I’ve never said any game is an expected loss. Some games are obviously more difficult than others. Equally no game is an expected win, especially for teams as poor as we are.

It is utterly ridiculous for Everton fans of this current team to go around saying Ipswich away is an expected win.

You have a better chance of winning fame against poorer teams especially at home; that’s obvious and is the same for any team in the league but it’s honestly the language of entitlement all this ‘no excuses if we don’t beat Ipswich’ ‘should be a comfortable win’ ‘that was an expected win’ - it’s ridiculous talk and equally as ridiculous as people saying expected losses.

People can have expectations you know….thats what drives standards. I accept however that there has to be some basis for them.

 

[Marius57]

People can have expectations you know….thats what drives standards. I accept however that there has to be some basis for them.

My expectation is that the team that finished 1 point from top half last season, and have improved the squad (even slightly) should go to games against newly promoted sides and be able to and be expected to win.

 

[Blue peter]

My expectation is that the team that finished 1 point from top half last season, and have improved the squad (even slightly) should go to games against newly promoted sides and be able to and be expected to win.

Agreed

 

[Titus Bramble]

At least we now all seem to be in unanimous agreement that finishing around or below 15th would be a catastrophic failure based on the quality and value of our squad compared to its peers, like Ipswich who are still full of players that played for them in League 1.

We should be aiming for 50 points imo. Over the last few years, that puts you between 10th and 12th.

Finishing implies we've finished on fewer points than last season, therefore gone backwards.

This is all assuming no points deductions of course.

 

[Neiler]

Nice to see the manager raising expectations around the place!

Always a sign of a job well done.

Fair play Sean.

 

[Saint Domingo]

I didn’t even mention you once.

I presumed the words ‘we now all’ and ‘unanimous’ meant everyone? Or have the definition of those words changed?

 

[James Patrick]

My expectation is that the team that finished 1 point from top half last season, and have improved the squad (even slightly) should go to games against newly promoted sides and be able to and be expected to win.

If the other 16 have improved more and the 3 teams that came up are in theory stronger then that expectation might be tested.

 

[Titus Bramble]

We should be aiming for 50 points imo. Over the last few years, that puts you between 10th and 12th.

Finishing implies we've finished on fewer points than last season, therefore gone backwards.

This is all assuming no points deductions of course.

Typo here - meant to say "Finishing 15th implies..."

 

[Toffeepot]

No one is satisfied with where Everton are. You seem to be completely unaware of the reality of where the football club is.

Expextations for a club of our size and history are that we challenge for the league every season and win trophies but just having that doesn’t mean it’s going to happen or that we have a right for it to happen.

Every fan expects more yet you and others are making our you somehow have higher aspirations for Everton than other fans, let’s be clear you don’t, every fan wants Everton to be at the top of the game, all you have is a delusion of where we currently are and what is possible.

If you have higher aspirations like other fans then what's your problem?
I know exactly where the club is: 48pts last season and strengthened squad in the window. I expect a comfortable midtable finish at least. Flirting with relegation again would be failure. Standards have to be raised again, simple as that.
Btw, I think most fans agree with this, so I don't have higher aspirations. Maybe yours are just lower

 

[Saint Domingo]

If you have higher aspirations like other fans then what's your problem?
I know exactly where the club is: 48pts last season and strengthened squad in the window. I expect a comfortable midtable finish at least. Flirting with relegation again would be failure. Standards have to be raised again, simple as that.
Btw, I think most fans agree with this, so I don't have higher aspirations. Maybe yours are just lower

If Dyche delivers a mid table finish your expectations are therefore met then? Where they met last season having earned 48 points?

 

[Lanolin]

If you have higher aspirations like other fans then what's your problem?
I know exactly where the club is: 48pts last season and strengthened squad in the window. I expect a comfortable midtable finish at least. Flirting with relegation again would be failure. Standards have to be raised again, simple as that.
Btw, I think most fans agree with this, so I don't have higher aspirations. Maybe yours are just lower

I think the strengthening the squad thing is a bit of a stretch personally. N'diaye would probably be classed as a strengthening purely based off what he's done so far rather than being a clear improvement on paper, but overall I think it's difficult to argue that this years squad is obviously better than last years. If it is, it's due to good management/and or work by the DoF rather than being a simple case of us 'strengthening' in a conventional sense. That's leaving aside the entire premise of what you're saying being a bit simplistic in its own right.

 

[DualityNSNO]

We've won 1 game so we're back to the midtable/48 points being an amazing achievement that's achievable and is no longer some utopian nonsense desire like it was last week. Weird.

 

[cjuk87]

He has not been, you have just noticed his moments more than Keane's while he has been asked to play where he shouldnt have to.

How many wins do we have with Keane playing this season? Or last? How many wins do we have in matches where Tarks played but Keane didnt?

You what mate?