2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[Marius57]

Pssst, Carlo lost to Southampton, Leeds, Burnley and Sheff United. He also drew with Burnley and Leicester. It's not a new thing for Everton to lose these games. We literally say "Everton that" about everything.

Now expectation is fine, I agree with you 100%, but the reality is, in most of our life times, we haven't been a stable club who simply turns up, does the job and goes home. I'm still checking the score now, to make sure I didn't get it wrong.

Oh I don’t think a win is ever guaranteed. But we should be expecting a win. If we don’t expect our players to actually win games especially against the newly promoted teams, what’s the point?

 

[Charles Hawtrey]

In every sense possible, Dyche is not the man to take Everton forewards. the new owners will see that too.

 

[windymiller]

I didn’t even mention you once.

He's very self-involved. It's very unattractive.

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

This thread goes round in more circles than a meatspin gif.

 

[Delargeinho]

In every sense possible, Dyche is not the man to take Everton forewards. the new owners will see that too.

He's surely not, now we are at the point, do we define to land in the 45-50 points mark again but seeing an improvement in style with the better individual players as progress?

The first things might happen, but the 2nd is a part of my judgement why Dyche can't be the man long-term.

 

[uglykidjoe1982]

All these ‘as a bare minimum’ posts are amusing

My own target for this season is for improvement on last season but you say it like it’s the easiest thing in the world.

Last Everton manager to do two consecutive seasons of improvement? David Moyes who did three in 2010/11, 2011/12, 2012/13, and even that was on the back of dropping 7 points in 2011 from where we had been.

So your minimum expectation is something that hasn’t occurred for ten years at Everton. Indeed getting over 49 points has only happened 4 seasons out the post Moyes years (2 of these with Lukaku and Koeman’s spending, one with Silva’s spending, one with Ancelotti’s spending). Now Dyche has to get it as a minimum despite turning a transfer profit every season he’s here and starting from a much lower base than any of those other managers did.

I don’t think he’s here beyond this season, nor do I particularly want him to be, but some of this ‘as a minimum’ posturing is just not based in historical fact or context. Same with all the ‘we should be beating Ipswich no excuses’ posts, anyone looked at the recent Everton record v promoted teams away? These were better Everton teams too.

The bar just keeps being moved higher and higher for Dyche ‘he should have this team top ten’ yet simultaneously he gets slammed for not moving the team on, building no foundations and lowering expectations. They don’t seem to be lowered to me.

If he does better 48 points this season then leave, can anyone really argue with a record of positive points performances in two seasons whilst making transfer profits?

I don’t like Dyche as a person, but I think this is a perfectly reasonable take. If he gets 48 points by May and finishes 12th, then he has more than exceeded expectations.

Some people need to remember they Lampard Years. Going 1-0 down and still trying to ground out a 0-0

 

[Osamabindiesel]

He will fall short of where he needs to be to keep the job. In a sense, it's the best situation for both parties. He can probably find a new contract elsewhere now and we can find our next guy. You can argue his contract ran a year too much or just about right, but in the end it works out the way it needs to with a new stadium and new ownership.

 

[heatmeiser]

But some people make out he’s Howie mk1 reincarnated.

Literally nobody makes that out. Not a single person

 

[SteveWatsonAbsoluteGent]

But some people make out he’s Howie mk1 reincarnated.

I'm gonna answer this as Dyche has won me round.

He is nowhere near howie in terms of managerial success etc... however you can see the players respect him.

One thing is. Whilst we are [Poor language removed] he's getting the best out of the players than others recently.

64 league games now for Dyche, 20 wins, 17 draws. 77 points

Previous 64 games (which includes Ancelotti’s last 6 games) 17 wins, 12 draws. 63 points

Scored 6 more goals, conceded 7 less.

 

[Marius57]

I'm gonna answer this as Dyche has won me round.

He is nowhere near howie in terms of managerial success etc... however you can see the players respect him.

One thing is. Whilst we are [Poor language removed] he's getting the best out of the players than others recently.

64 league games now for Dyche, 20 wins, 17 draws. 77 points

Previous 64 games (which includes Ancelotti’s last 6 games) 17 wins, 12 draws. 63 points

Scored 6 more goals, conceded 7 less.

Being better than 2 of our worst 3 managers in history (Benitez and Lampard) isn’t the achievement you are trying to make out.

 

[Lob]

64 league games now for Dyche, 20 wins, 17 draws. 77 points

Won you round indeed, you have been the biggest Dychette since you started posting. By the way, your maths doesn't add up simply because It is 63 league games, not 64. I am assuming you didn't actually write the 26 losses to try and make it look a bit better. You say it like it is good when in reality, it is absolutely shocking. Any record that has more losses than wins is terrible. The only reason why it is slightly better than the previous 63 games is because they were lead by abysmal managers too who got sacked with the exception of Carlo who knew he was going back to Real Madrid and lost interest the last few games.

What we are seeing with Dyche is as good as it gets. His career record is no different and is absolutely abysmal.

 

[Lanolin]

Being better than 2 of our worst 3 managers in history (Benitez and Lampard) isn’t the achievement you are trying to make out.

But on the other hand it would be very weird to compare to him any other manager seeing as there would be no similarity in terms of the squad or circumstances. Using his record in comparison to his immediate predecessors is a pretty normal thing to do, judging him by the standards the club was setting 50 years ago less so.

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

Being better than 2 of our worst 3 managers in history (Benitez and Lampard) isn’t the achievement you are trying to make out.

Mike Walker says hi

 

[catcherintherye]

I think there's a couple of aspects to it. As fans we all want the club to be the best it can be and to be progressing all the time, so to an extent I agree with what you're saying. I don't think anybody is really advocating just finishing 17th and staying up on goal difference and saying that would be fine, it's just trying to be realistic about what would be acceptable. For me, the key thing is just not being in serious trouble at the end of the season. I don't really think it matters in a sense whether we finish 15th or 11th because we're not even in the rebuilding phase yet, the remit from the club has quite clearly just been to stay up with the smallest possible financial outlay and let the takeover and stadium move happen with us still in the PL and so I think expecting us to improve and finish top half is a bit over the top. If we did manage to do that then I think Dyche would deserve a hell of a lot of credit, I'm not and never have been his biggest fan, but I think taking over a team that was in 19th and had stayed up by the skin of its teeth the year before and keeping them up before finishing 12th and 10th with a positive net spend would be a genuinely impressive piece of work.

Yes very true. I don't massively warm to him, but honestly it's not important who I warm too (I warmed to Lampard, nice guy but the opposite was true).

The staying up on goal difference was nerve wracking. But let's be honest, after that West Ham game, if you'd offered any of us you stay up on the last day on goal difference, we would have all taken it. He got us out of a deep predicament.

And as you have said, without the points deduction last season (which is not in any way on him) we would have been comfortably safe. To be honest, we'd have been safe in January.

He's doing the job he was brought in to do. I know people get a bit funny with him, but I can understand his frustration really. He's delivering what he was asked.

 

[SteveWatsonAbsoluteGent]

Being better than 2 of our worst 3 managers in history (Benitez and Lampard) isn’t the achievement you are trying to make out.

It's a good comparison. As its comparing with similar squads.
Shows with this group of players. He is getting the best out of them.

Benitez inherited a better squad than Dyche.