2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

[Saint Domingo]

Yes very true. I don't massively warm to him, but honestly it's not important who I warm too (I warmed to Lampard, nice guy but the opposite was true).

The staying up on goal difference was nerve wracking. But let's be honest, after that West Ham game, if you'd offered any of us you stay up on the last day on goal difference, we would have all taken it. He got us out of a deep predicament.

And as you have said, without the points deduction last season (which is not in any way on him) we would have been comfortably safe. To be honest, we'd have been safe in January.

He's doing the job he was brought in to do. I know people get a bit funny with him, but I can understand his frustration really. He's delivering what he was asked.

Precisely, and how many other Everton manager since Moyes can say they delivered what the club asked of them? Some of them had a lot of money and good players with which to do it as well.

Thats why I consider Koeman Martinez (final seasons) and Silva’s tenures much more of a failure than anything Dyche has done because of the opportunity loss, Koeman especially. There’s not much opportunity loss with Dyche as we were 19th when he came in, he’s turned a transfer profit and moved us up the table. Other managers wasted war chests and quality players.

 

[jazzy]

Precisely, and how many other Everton manager since Moyes can say they delivered what the club asked of them? Some of them had a lot of money and good players with which to do it as well.

Thats why I consider Koeman Martinez (final seasons) and Silva’s tenures much more of a failure than anything Dyche has done because of the opportunity loss, Koeman especially. There’s not much opportunity loss with Dyche as we were 19th when he came in, he’s turned a transfer profit and moved us up the table. Other managers wasted war chests and quality players.

I think it's a bit disingenuous to suggest that Dyche has "turned a transfer profit".

That was down to the DoF who in doing so has by common consent also given Dyche a marginally better squad.

However , yes Dyche has done the job asked of him.

 

[blueboy72]

I think it's a bit disingenuous to suggest that Dyche has "turned a transfer profit".

That was down to the DoF who in doing so has by common consent also given Dyche a marginally better squad.

However , yes Dyche has done the job asked of him.

Listened to a pod today who said Baz off toffee TV said dyche wasn’t really that bothered about Ndaiye it was all Thelwell

 

[Lanolin]

Listened to a pod today who said Baz off toffee TV said dyche wasn’t really that bothered about Ndaiye it was all Thelwell

That would suggest the system is working then, which is a rare bit of good news.

 

[jazzy]

Listened to a pod today who said Baz off toffee TV said dyche wasn’t really that bothered about Ndaiye it was all Thelwell

I can believe that.

 

[Saint Domingo]

I think it's a bit disingenuous to suggest that Dyche has "turned a transfer profit".

That was down to the DoF who in doing so has by common consent also given Dyche a marginally better squad.

However , yes Dyche has done the job asked of him.

Well we can say he’s managed a squad whilst a transfer profit has been generated. Other Everton managers have managed squads that have had 100s of millions lavished on them. I blame them far more for the mess we’ve been in recently than Sean Dyche

 

[jazzy]

Listened to a pod today who said Baz off toffee TV said dyche wasn’t really that bothered about Ndaiye it was all Thelwell

That would suggest the system is working then, which is a rare bit of good news.

There were stories abounding that Klopp didn't want Salad and had to be persuaded by the RS recruitment team.

So , yes it happens probably more regularly than you'd think.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Listened to a pod today who said Baz off toffee TV said dyche wasn’t really that bothered about Ndaiye it was all Thelwell

Is Thelwell starting him the majority of games?

 

[Simon Buttle]

There were stories abounding that Klopp didn't want Salad and had to be persuaded by the RS recruitment team.

So , yes it happens probably more regularly than you'd think.

I can imagine as when you look back him and Salah fell out on more than one occasion.

 

[Marius57]

I think it's a bit disingenuous to suggest that Dyche has "turned a transfer profit".

That was down to the DoF who in doing so has by common consent also given Dyche a marginally better squad.

However , yes Dyche has done the job asked of him.

Dyche was brought in to keep us up. He did that.

Does his remit not then change once that’s achieved? Or for every season he is with us, it is purely “keep us up”?

Ancelotti’s first part of the job with us was also to keep us up. But he didn’t then carry on just trying to keep us up.

 

[Lob]

Dyche was brought in to keep us up. He did that.

Does his remit not then change once that’s achieved? Or for every season he is with us, it is purely “keep us up”?

Ancelotti’s first part of the job with us was also to keep us up. But he didn’t then carry on just trying to keep us up.

Spot on and this is the exact reason why he should have been released at the end of last season and would have been in any other club. Keeping him on is acquiescing to perpetual stagnation when you look at his record and ambitions. Thankfully the club will be ran a lot better and have forward thinking positive ambitions when the takeover is completed, sooner the better.

 

[jazzy]

Dyche was brought in to keep us up. He did that.

Does his remit not then change once that’s achieved? Or for every season he is with us, it is purely “keep us up”?

Ancelotti’s first part of the job with us was also to keep us up. But he didn’t then carry on just trying to keep us up.

The remit / ambition should change absolutely.

However , in my opinion, Dyche can only play one way and if you bring in Dyche you know what you are going to get.

I can't think of a player that he has improved. From players comments he doesn't seem to work with them individually.

However generally speaking his teams are organised, workman like and play percentage football. I don't think that has ever changed under Dyche.

Furthermore I'm pretty sure that the Everton ambition under Moshiri when he decided to get out hasn't changed either - no net spend and stay in the division - that's why he's retained Dyche he does what is says on the tin.

 

[jazzy]

Spot on and this is the exact reason why he should have been released at the end of last season and would have been in any other club. Keeping him on is acquiescing to perpetual stagnation when you look at his record and ambitions. Thankfully the club will be ran a lot better and have forward thinking positive ambitions when the takeover is completed, sooner the better.

Completely agree

Much as I dislike Dyche and despise his football the real problem is the lack of ambition of the Everton owner.

That has to change under TFG and I'm sure that it will.

 

[Lanolin]

Dyche was brought in to keep us up. He did that.

Does his remit not then change once that’s achieved? Or for every season he is with us, it is purely “keep us up”?

Ancelotti’s first part of the job with us was also to keep us up. But he didn’t then carry on just trying to keep us up.

The remit of the manager should change over time, of course, but I'm not sure that Dyche's remit from the club will have changed at this point. Both he and Thelwell have been tasked with keeping the club in the division while cutting costs until the takeover and and ground move have taken place, that seems fairly clear from the outside. I do not believe that there is any expectation from within the club that we actually progress as a first team squad in the short term, I don't think we've reached the rebuilding phase yet we're very much still in caretaker mode where we're trying to keep a steady ship until we're in a position to push on. Personally I don't believe that he's capable of taking us into the rebuilding phase and so I think parting ways at the end of the season is best for all concerned, but at this moment I think just keeping us up pretty much is his remit, yes. Also Ancelotti isn't a great example, finishing 10th with a squad several million times better than this one was hardly a great achievement from 'don carlo' (throws up in mouth).

 

[Furey1878]

Dyche was brought in to keep us up. He did that.

Does his remit not then change once that’s achieved? Or for every season he is with us, it is purely “keep us up”?

Ancelotti’s first part of the job with us was also to keep us up. But he didn’t then carry on just trying to keep us up.

His remit from Moshiri is ultimately just to keep us up, but that is due to the takeover situation and Bramley Moore. That protects Moshiri's investment.

I would like to think though that his own target was to kick on and be solidly mid-table to the point were you are looking up rather than down.

You could argue that we already achieved that without the points deduction last season, but the reality is that the points deduction had everyone looking down and changed the entire outlook and pressure surrounding games.

Last season basically hinged on 3 little runs of form, about 5 or 6 games leading up to the deduction, the 4 win bounce back from the deduction, and the last 5 or 6 games. I think a sign of progress would just be more consistency, like losing no more than 2 on the spin. Even if it hardly yields any more points than last year's tally, I personally will see it as a big step made if we can stop having these horrendous 5-10 game runs that have featured in almost every season since Moyes.