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It doesn't but what if the Benitez appointment was always a mistake? Because essentially we are desperate for stability but having a manager a large section hate from the start is never going to produce stability unless he is over performing?

That's the risk.

But what if the next appointment is a mistake? Or the one after that? The one after that?

At some point you have to go no, let's wait and see if it actually is, give it some time to breathe. We're looking horrible right now, I'd understand Benitez getting sacked, but I also understand the spine has been ripped out of an already bad squad.

I'm simply saying the situation isn't uniquely bad right now to the extent it's proof Benitez is a dud and needs binning. If we get nothing from Burnley and Palace? Sure, you can't just ignore a calamity, but it isn't one yet and if we always pull the trigger then we'll be doing the same thing over and over again - meaning a patchwork, imbalanced squad of misfits, year on year, and more money spaffed up the wall.
 
That's the risk.

But what if the next appointment is a mistake? Or the one after that? The one after that?

At some point you have to go no, let's wait and see if it actually is, give it some time to breathe. We're looking horrible right now, I'd understand Benitez getting sacked, but I also understand the spine has been ripped out of an already bad squad.

I'm simply saying the situation isn't uniquely bad right now to the extent it's proof Benitez is a dud and needs binning. If we get nothing from Burnley and Palace? Sure, you can't just ignore a calamity, but it isn't one yet and if we always pull the trigger then we'll be doing the same thing over and over again - meaning a patchwork, imbalanced squad of misfits, year on year, and more money spaffed up the wall.
Agree but he needs some kind of performance and results quick because I haven't seen either apart from Spurs. Also relying on two or three players is never going to work in this league yes it's unfortunate but every squad gets injuries the issue is how bad assembled ours is
 

But you're not looking at the data objectively. You're cherry picking Ancelotti's worst run and comparing that to Benitez. When it was pointed out to you that 59 points is what this squad acquired last season you say that doesn't count. You are the one manipulating the data to suit your point. It's called operator bias.

Haha hang on, how can I compare 59 points over a 38 game season to Benitez when he's had 13 games???

I can only compare like for like!

You could argue I should compare their first 13 games each, which is fine, but Ancelotti had less fixture congestion so had played less games by this point in the season, but sure - after 13 games Ancelotti was 8 points better off after the second of three miracle wins against Leicester, 16 December, 17 days later. Ancelotti, therefore, was doing a better job than Benitez after 13 games - but with an infinitely better injury situation.

But other than that? My comparisons are completely fine, especially the last 13 games one as you're seeing a continued run of form by largely the same squad over the same amount of games; indeed, Ancelotti had a much better one in those last 13 games.
 
Right, but 12 months later.

"It's not obligatory to appoint a manager who's never done anything in this league."

or:

"It's not obligatory to appoint a manager who's 'young and exciting' but has been found out."

... and so on and so on...

On this date 12 months ago the Ancelotti thread was clogged with people calling him a clueless dinosaur too. It's what happens with bad runs. All we know for sure is whenever we pull the trigger on a manager, or they walk out on us, the high manager turnover does us no favours whatsoever.

By the end Carlo was scraping points for us the only way we possibly could, sitting deep and being great on set pieces.

People didn’t like him for it though. That was one of the greatest managers in the world (who will probably pick up another league this season and be dangerous in the CL) and people on here were calling him a useless dinosaur, a has been, who couldn’t coach. They then expect some ‘young progressive’ manager to come in and with the exact same conditions somehow massively overachieve where Ancelotti Allardyce Benitez weren’t able to (let’s ignore that we already tried that with Silva and ruined his career as well)

People need to wake up. The manager is virtually irrelevant at this point. This group of players are a rotting core for the club and have been for ages. I’m not judging any manager of this club until the majority of Coleman Kenny Keane Holgate Digne Davies Gomes Delph Siggurdson Iwobi are out the door. They’ve shown gone and time again that they are nowhere near good enough and they just don’t care either.

No one could get a tune out of them. Koeman had some good form with Lukaku Gueye and Barkley, and it disappeared as soon as they left. Silva did ok when he had Gueye and Zouma and then dropped like a stone when they went, Ancelotti had a good run when he relied on Docuoure Allan James in midfield, as soon as injuries started the form fell of a cliff and he had to revert to the most primitive football we’ve ever seen just to get points.

The theme is the same. This is a terrible squad littered with three or four good players. It has been for about 7 years. If those good players are fit and playing we can come mid table. If they’re not available or we sell them we’re in a bottom half scrap. This has been the pattern time and time again yet people refuse to see it.

‘We should have enough to beat x even with y and z out injured’ - No, no we don’t, without two of our top players (DCL Richarlison Doucoure Allan Mina) we are one of the poorest 11s in the league, and definitely one of the poorest squads.

If we get DCL and Mina abck and the remaining players stay fit then I’ll be confident that Benitez will have us somewhere between 12-8th. If Docuoure goes down again and Allan or Richalrison joins him then we are in a lower table scrap. Changing the manager doesn’t change this at all, he’ll just get a short term bounce if the injured players come back, we’ll sell some in the summer, and then he’ll start like Silva did and we’ll be back here in 12 months.
 
True, but put a pin in that until 10.30 pm tomorrow. If the RS are giving us a humping and are waving Benitez flags and singing his name it might be superceded. I'm dreading tomorrow.

I think we’ll lose in the worst fashion possible tomorrow, a hard fought, spirited, gutsy defensive display which we do a couple of times a season, and then we’ll lose in stoppage time to a mistake. Everyone is expecting a pasting and the game to be over by 8:30 so I reckon we’ll go for the worse and more painful option of the two.
 
Haha hang on, how can I compare 59 points over a 38 game season to Benitez when he's had 13 games???

I can only compare like for like!

You could argue I should compare their first 13 games each, which is fine, but Ancelotti had less fixture congestion so had played less games by this point in the season, but sure - after 13 games Ancelotti was 8 points better off after the second of three miracle wins against Leicester, 16 December, 17 days later. Ancelotti, therefore, was doing a better job than Benitez after 13 games - but with an infinitely better injury situation.

But other than that? My comparisons are completely fine, especially the last 13 games one as you're seeing a continued run of form by largely the same squad over the same amount of games; indeed, Ancelotti had a much better one in those last 13 games.
You could compare points per game, goals per game, scored or conceded. You could even look at xG per game if you were an American. Selecting one random 13 game period, in which Ancelotti got more points, scored more goals and conceded fewer, by the way, is not objectivity.
 

By the end Carlo was scraping points for us the only way we possibly could, sitting deep and being great on set pieces.

People didn’t like him for it though. That was one of the greatest managers in the world (who will probably pick up another league this season and be dangerous in the CL) and people on here were calling him a useless dinosaur, a has been, who couldn’t coach. They then expect some ‘young progressive’ manager to come in and with the exact same conditions somehow massively overachieve where Ancelotti Allardyce Benitez weren’t able to (let’s ignore that we already tried that with Silva and ruined his career as well)

People need to wake up. The manager is virtually irrelevant at this point. This group of players are a rotting core for the club and have been for ages. I’m not judging any manager of this club until the majority of Coleman Kenny Keane Holgate Digne Davies Gomes Delph Siggurdson Iwobi are out the door. They’ve shown gone and time again that they are nowhere near good enough and they just don’t care either.

No one could get a tune out of them. Koeman had some good form with Lukaku Gueye and Barkley, and it disappeared as soon as they left. Silva did ok when he had Gueye and Zouma and then dropped like a stone when they went, Ancelotti had a good run when he relied on Docuoure Allan James in midfield, as soon as injuries started the form fell of a cliff and he had to revert to the most primitive football we’ve ever seen just to get points.

The theme is the same. This is a terrible squad littered with three or four good players. It has been for about 7 years. If those good players are fit and playing we can come mid table. If they’re not available or we sell them we’re in a bottom half scrap. This has been the pattern time and time again yet people refuse to see it.

‘We should have enough to beat x even with y and z out injured’ - No, no we don’t, without two of our top players (DCL Richarlison Doucoure Allan Mina) we are one of the poorest 11s in the league, and definitely one of the poorest squads.

If we get DCL and Mina abck and the remaining players stay fit then I’ll be confident that Benitez will have us somewhere between 12-8th. If Docuoure goes down again and Allan or Richalrison joins him then we are in a lower table scrap. Changing the manager doesn’t change this at all, he’ll just get a short term bounce if the injured players come back, we’ll sell some in the summer, and then he’ll start like Silva did and we’ll be back here in 12 months.

Nailed it mate. Spot on.
 
You could compare points per game, goals per game, scored or conceded. You could even look at xG per game if you were an American. Selecting one random 13 game period, in which Ancelotti got more points, scored more goals and conceded fewer, by the way, is not objectivity.

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I think we’ll lose in the worst fashion possible tomorrow, a hard fought, spirited, gutsy defensive display which we do a couple of times a season, and then we’ll lose in stoppage time to a mistake. Everyone is expecting a pasting and the game to be over by 8:30 so I reckon we’ll go for the worse and more painful option of the two.

Game will be over inside 15 minutes, they'll be at least two up.
 

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