Ukraine invasion and the sanction of Oligarchs

[catcherintherye]

Please provide one scrap of evidence for that please.

Of what bit?

 

[Efcjake]

Five minutes ago you were telling us his wealth was given to him by Usmanov. A Russian oligarch who made his money when the USSR's assets were broken up.

And what?

He worked for it and earned it.

When did Moshiri steal money from the Russian people?

 

[radiostar]

Usmanov was never going to fund a stadium. Why would he?

Well he's sponsoring it!

Wouldn't surprise me if he was also financing it behind the scenes. Remember any money pumped into the club for a stadium build is NOT counted towards FFP

 

[gwladysnight]

Come on mate, theres no need to personalise something like that.

I am utterly opposed to the process that saw the transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich after the Soviet Union broke up. It was the biggest collapse in capitalism history, and a disaster. Look at the mess of Eastern Europe now. Completely stupid idea, based on the vanity and stupidity of Milton Freidman economics.

It's wrong to call this stealing though, or in the case of Moshiri specifically so. I don't know of any case hes ever been charged with, less convicted of. I am always in favour of an honest assessment if a situation. It is not honest to intimate he, or even Usmanov stole directly from people.

The reality is, this transition from poor to rich is the basis of capitalism mate. You wont find a rich person who's done it ethically. Christ, how do Americans or Brits think they built wealth up? It was in most cases from the slave labour built up over hundreds of years.

So if we are going to have this discussion, it needs to be nuanced. I appreciate that people sometimes want easy, binary conclusions. Things are more complex.

I appreciate your take on this. Nothing wrong with disagreement, but let's not stop to making accusations of who is or isnt in favour of things theyve clearly not said they are. ?

Moshiri made his money from Usmanov a Russian Oligarch. That is game set and match.

 

[Efcjake]

Apparently someone or some company has put money forward for the stadium to be built. They haven't revealed or announced who or what company however.

To be honest I'd assume Usmanov but via a different holding company.

Source for this?

 

[Efcjake]

Moshiri made his money from Usmanov a Russian Oligarch. That is game set and match.

You saying that we should sanction Usmanov's secretary?

How far down the line in the list of employees who have worked for Usmanov do you go?

Ridiculous.

 

[catcherintherye]

No but his net worth represents the sum total of his assets and regardless of its liquidity I'm sure many banks would accept it as backing for a loan.

Or do you believe he can only secure a loan if he proves he has the full amount in cash?

Another swing and a miss in your attempts to claim that the stadium won't go through.

Or that an accountant, wouldnt know where to place assets in such situations.

I have been stating this for years too.
1) Usmanov would never go public with Everton even if he were involved.
2) Moshiri will have already priced in this scenario, and will have allocated resources accordingly.

 

[gwladysnight]

And what?

He worked for it and earned it.

When did Moshiri steal money from the Russian people?

His boss stole it and then handed it to Moshiri. Are you suggesting Moshiri who was Usmanov's accountant didn't know where it came from. That is exactly why USM is now on the US sanctions list.

 

[gwladysnight]

You saying that we should sanction Usmanov's secretary?

How far down the line in the list of employees who have worked for Usmanov do you go?

Ridiculous.

If she was handed a couple of Billion from Usmanov then yes of course.

 

[gwladysnight]

Or that an accountant, wouldnt know where to place assets in such situations.

I have been stating this for years too.
1) Usmanov would never go public with Everton even if he were involved.
2) Moshiri will have already priced in this scenario, and will have allocated resources accordingly.

Don't pretend Moshiri is some financial genius. We only have to look at how he has run our club into the ground to see that is nonsense.

 

[Efcjake]

His boss stole it and then handed it to Moshiri. Are you suggesting Moshiri who was Usmanov's accountant didn't know where it came from. That is exactly why USM is now on the US sanctions list.

How did he steal it?

Are you saying Moshiri shouldn't have been paid for his work?

 

[Efcjake]

If she was handed a couple of Billion from Usmanov then yes of course.

Oh go on then, what's the cut off amount before they should or should not be sanctioned for payment received for their work?

 

[davek]

Do I? ?

Well you accept the new players...and the stadium...

 

[RomanReigns]

Who will sponsor Everton womens team now?

 

[BlueToff]

USM on the US' sanctions list, by the looks