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2015 post UK election discussion

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As edge said the N/West covers a huge area and also includes the Lake District & Isle of Man, there you have opportunities for Tourism cos believe it or not folk are into scenery & industrial heritage and the like, Liverpool has a tourist industry based around the Beatles that pretty much exists without any kind of promotion at all, but how seriously is that industry taken in the region ? it would all be money coming in, the run down place that is Blackpool if it had built thE Supercasino could possibly have seen others applied for folk to visit.

If there was an exact replica of Stephensons Rocket running on the original line that is still there then every rail head on the planet would want to ride on it. I met folk in NZ who wanted more than anything else to come to the Grand National.

All that stuff that would attract folk despite cack weather & leaden skies.
 
Scousers are lazier good for nothings than the lazy good for nothings elsewhere across the region , no?

I wouldn't have thought so. It wasn't a rhetorical question, I was asking because I don't know. Thanks for your contribution though :)

the nw covers a big area bruce mate, a lot of rich bits a more accurate reflection could be that a quarter of greater manchesters unemployment is in the city of manchester and salford accounds for a fair chunk of the rest not far under 50% of the total when combined, both are near are figure when taken on there own
As for liverpool it has an image problem and is to inward looking, or has been and due to its near desalation of jobs in the 70,s the docks, tates and loads of other big empoyers it has been an uphill struggle to get up to speed again and be seen as a place to do buisness instead of say manchester or leeds, also it has pockets of areas were its now become a way of life to not be in work, sad to say , but that could be the way in most places

Aye, fair point about the stats. I saw this from a few years ago (2009) that was looking at the percentage of residents with a degree, and this is where London seems to stand out, as large parts of the city have roughly twice the number of those in many other cities in England

http://www.ucu.org.uk/index.cfm?articleid=4210

Obviously it doesn't dig deeper, so it isn't clear if graduates from the two Liverpool unis stay and work in the city or move elsewhere, or indeed whether the city attracts graduates from elsewhere.
 
I think this is a continuation of our earlier conversation, yes?

Things like this are precisely why Mrs Tree and I are planning, and saving in advance BEFORE having kids. On our current joint income we can save a chunk per month to more than tie us over for the period when she will be off work, regardless of the levels of statutory maternity pay in the future. Benefits payments and statutory maternity pay don't factor into the calculations for us, for the exact reason you've highlighted - they are subject to changes beyond our control. Her contractual maternity pay is ok, and her job security is good because she is a full-time permanent employee in degree-level profession. Looking at how difficult it could be to start having children without substantial savings already in place, I don't think we'll be altering our approach. I'm surprised at the number of replies in this thread who are suggesting otherwise, particularly in light of you recounting your own current situation.

Obviously such an approach doesn't apply to people who ALREADY have children, but isn't it a pretty sensible template for FUTURE generations to follow? Something has to be done to make teenagers and people in their twenties realise just how expensive and difficult it can be to raise children, surely? Otherwise don't rising birth rates simply place more and more pressure on an already overburdened NHS, and state education system?
News flash - it has always been expensive and difficult to raise kids. Stop worrying about it and get on with it if that's what you want to do. No amount of money can make up for the time you don't get with them.
 
I wouldn't have thought so. It wasn't a rhetorical question, I was asking because I don't know. Thanks for your contribution though :)



Aye, fair point about the stats. I saw this from a few years ago (2009) that was looking at the percentage of residents with a degree, and this is where London seems to stand out, as large parts of the city have roughly twice the number of those in many other cities in England

http://www.ucu.org.uk/index.cfm?articleid=4210

Obviously it doesn't dig deeper, so it isn't clear if graduates from the two Liverpool unis stay and work in the city or move elsewhere, or indeed whether the city attracts graduates from elsewhere.
i think over the last few years a lot of graduates have come from all over the uk and we are starting to see a drift to stay here, cheap housing ect its a question of if we can grow to keep them here long term, still a lot want to try the bright lights of london , but i know a few who are coming back or planning to as the rewards in wages ect are wiped out by not getting on the housing ladder ect. its a compicated question really
 

It has, but the right funding has been there and the right political will - look at HS2. It's a poor idea in practice but the theory is the correct one - redistribute wealth creation. All of that goes away if cuts bite in and the poor are battered, meaning resources have to go to rescue a crumbling lower class.

Again from the above article:

Manchester was reversing a trend identified by Heseltine in his report. He observed that over several decades local authorities had come to focus on social provision at the expense of economic strategy and development. And this, he thought, was one of the reasons our cities, in particular, weren’t doing as they well as might. Heseltine recommended that local authorities have a legal duty to take economic development into account in the normal exercising of their functions. And they should collaborate on economic strategy where they share a labour market or travel-to-work area.

This is, for me, the key issue in our country today. Mindless cutting is horrendous - but smart reallocation of investment is brilliant.

One mans reallocation will still be another mans cuts.......
 
i think over the last few years a lot of graduates have come from all over the uk and we are starting to see a drift to stay here, cheap housing ect its a question of if we can grow to keep them here long term, still a lot want to try the bright lights of london , but i know a few who are coming back or planning to as the rewards in wages ect are wiped out by not getting on the housing ladder ect. its a compicated question really

Housing is a big issue. People go to London to find work, buy a hovel and in 20 years the hovel is sold for a million and they can move somewhere nicer.....or they can stay in Liverpool where they can get a place like Knowsley Hall for the same price......As you mentioned earlier, Liverpool has an image problem. It used to have a great image but that has long been squandered by a succession of whinging and 'pity city' politicians, union leaders actions and lack of vision....I'm not even sure it has enough visionary and capable people anymore to change it. Liverpool has become a place where the successful leave not arrive.........
 
i think over the last few years a lot of graduates have come from all over the uk and we are starting to see a drift to stay here, cheap housing ect its a question of if we can grow to keep them here long term, still a lot want to try the bright lights of london , but i know a few who are coming back or planning to as the rewards in wages ect are wiped out by not getting on the housing ladder ect. its a compicated question really

Aye it is. At the moment London is a magnet for talent, and I've read a lot of stuff about how Cambridge and Oxford are developing around the universities. Do the two unis in Liverpool specialise in anything that can be used as a focus for an industrial hub, like the biotech cluster in Oxford and 'Silicon Fen' around Cambridge?

I did a quick Google, for instance and there appears to be a biotech and healthcare cluster in the northwest (known as Bionow).

  • the National Biomanufacturing Centre (NBC) in Liverpool - a £30 million project developed by the NWDA for product development and early stage biopharmaceutical manufacturing
  • the Liverpool School of Tropical Medicine - a medical school dedicated to the development and treatment of tropical and infectious diseases which is expanding with the help of £9 million in funding from the NWDA
http://www.local.gov.uk/economy/-/journal_content/56/10180/3510371/ARTICLE#sthash.jS5qcRDK.dpuf

That employes 38,000 across the north - http://www.bionow.co.uk/jobs.aspx
 
Utter tripe. They campaigned against independence and they campaigned against a Scottish parliament.

You may have a low opinion of the Tory party, and there's probably a lot of justification for that, but one thing you can't ignore is that the union means more to them than pretty much any other topic, even though it does hurt them electorally.
True enough. Heard on the box today that 3% of taxes are raised in Scotland and 15% of spending. Also the Tories would have a much firmer grip on power without Scotland yet they fight tooth and nail to keep it.

The SNP want to increasing spending....
 

Reform call as Tories win majority with 37% of vote

Campaign groups have called for the United Kingdom’s electoral system to be reformed, after David Cameron’s Conservative Party secured a majority despite taking just 37% of the vote.

UKIP and the Green Party attracted a combined five million votes, but won just two seats between them.

The results of Thursday's election highlighted the anomalies of a system that allocates seats not according to the parties' total number of nationwide votes but on the basis of 650 local 'first-past-the-post' contests.

Nationwide, UKIP took 12.6% and the Greens 3.8% of the vote, but their support was too thinly spread to win more than one member of parliament each.

Conservative leader Cameron earned a second term as prime minister with 11.3 million votes and 331 of the 650 seats.

But only one of those seats was in Scotland, where the pro-independence Scottish National Party won 1.45 million votes, half of those cast, and took 56 of the 59 Scottish seats.

By this morning, over 100,000 people had signed a petition launched by the Electoral Reform Society and Unlock Democracy calling for change.

It states: "The 2015 general election has shown once and for all that our voting system is broken beyond repair." It urges politicians of all parties to embrace reform.

Will Brett, head of campaigns for the Electoral Reform Society, said: "The fact that over five million people between them have voted UKIP and Green, and they have two MPs, strikes us as utterly absurd and a tragic denial of people's democratic wishes."

The group advocates a switch to proportional representation.

Complaints about the fairness of the first-past-the-post system are not new.

For decades it was the centrist Liberals, and their successors the Liberal Democrats (Lib Dems), who led the calls for change.

As part of the price for supporting Mr Cameron in a coalition after the previous 2010 election, the Lib Dems were granted a referendum in 2011 on adopting a modified version of first-past-the-post (FPP), in which voters would rank candidates in order.

The change was rejected, on a low voter turnout.

Advocates of FPP say it is a tried and tested system that for the most part has delivered clear election outcomes and stable governments.

But opponents say the Scottish question, the fragmentation of the old two-party-dominated political structure and the emergence of movements such as UKIP and the Greens have all bolstered the case for reform.

Under a system of PR, Cameron's Conservatives would still have been the biggest party in the House of Commons after Thursday's election but would have needed to rely on UKIP, with more than 80 seats, to scrape a majority.

In Scotland, the SNP would be reduced to half the seats, with the others split between Labour, the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats.

In that more balanced landscape, the political chasm between England and Scotland would be greatly narrowed.

Even before the election, that point was forcefully argued by Vernon Bogdanor, a constitutional expert who was Cameron's politics tutor at Oxford University.

"Distorted representation makes the UK appear more divided than in fact it is," he wrote in Prospect magazine in February.

"Proportional representation, therefore, would alter the dynamics of the conflict between England and Scotland and make it far more manageable."

No one expects Cameron to change the system that has swept him back to power.

But in the long-term, some argue, there are compelling reasons to re-draw electoral rules that divide much of Britain into fortresses held for decades by one party or the other.

That means that millions of people are effectively disenfranchised and elections are decided in a relatively small number of close-fought marginal seats.

While the current system gives Mr Cameron a mandate for a majority government, "it's not such a strong mandate that he can ignore the rest of the country," Mr Brett said.

"It's going to be hard to ignore electoral reform indefinitely."

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0510/700081-uk-election/
 
Plymouth Tory MP's office is covered in poo
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http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Ply...-covered-poo/story-26473904-detail/story.html
 

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