2015 post UK election discussion

[marty mcfly]

why do they need to justify it

Because we're talking about discrimination against men. Normally it's justified because of a perceived sexual bias against women preventing woman entering the field however in Law that's obviously not the case since more female graduates are female.

 

[Tree13]

You see the problem is. If you wait until you can afford it both in terms of saving and salary you will loose out on those benefits and that means you will be worse off putting at risk the chances of sending your kids to private school later or perhaps even university. You need to take benefits when you can.

I don't think people smoke to pay for the NHS. I just can't stand when do gooders go on about terrible smokers who more than pay for the whole of the NHS including all the illnesses they get and also don't claim as much as old people since they die earlier.

Smokers may pay more into the NHS via their VAT on cigarettes, but smoking-related illness costs millions to treat every year. Kind of a false economy, no?

And if we are better off not saving, halving our income and claiming benefits than we would be by earning £50k gross per year, saving £10k of it and paying our way, then there is something horribly wrong with the system. With both of us earning we are contributing far more in tax and NI and this should be encouraged so that more funding is available for the welfare state. We are also significantly reducing the likelihood we will EVER need large-scale state support.

 

[Tree13]

why do they need to justify it

For exactly the same reason they would need to justify it if it were heavily skewed the other way, in favour of men?

 

[daylightrobber]

Oh, bloody hell. Come off it.

Come off what?

 

[bluemangroup]

why do they need to justify it

They need to justify it to the World Man Council

 

[marty mcfly]

Smokers may pay more into the NHS via their VAT on cigarettes, but smoking-related illness costs millions to treat every year. Kind of a false economy, no?

And if we are better off not saving, halving our income and claiming benefits than we would be by earning £50k gross per year, saving £10k of it and paying our way, then there is something horribly wrong with the system. With both of us earning we are contributing far more in tax and NI and this should be encouraged so that more funding is available for the welfare state. We are also significantly reducing the likelihood we will EVER need large-scale state support.

No the tax on cigs brings in over 12B. The cost from smoking to the NHS is around 2.5B.

That's not even taking into consideration the cost to old age care and pensions that's saved.

 

[Walken]

For exactly the same reason they would need to justify it if it were heavily skewed the other way, in favour of men?

but you don't seem to care, nor feel the need to justify that disparity, of which there are many

 

[Walken]

They need to justify it to the World Man Council

us young white males have been persecuted far too long, its basically a new form of apartheid

 

[Walken]

Because we're talking about discrimination against men. Normally it's justified because of a perceived sexual bias against women preventing woman entering the field however in Law that's obviously not the case since more female graduates are female.

works both ways no?

 

[Tree13]

No the tax on cigs brings in over 12B. The cost from smoking to the NHS is around 2.5B.

That's not even taking into consideration the cost to old age care and pensions that's saved.

If thos figures are accurate, shouldn't the government be encouraging more people to smoke?

 

[bluemangroup]

us young white males have been persecuted far too long, its basically a new form of apartheid

The amount of times I've been sent to the back of the bus because I wouldn't give my seat up for a pregnant lady....I'm the Rosa Parks of the Wirral.

 

[marty mcfly]

but you don't seem to care, nor feel the need to justify that disparity, of which there are many

There was 30 years ago. I'm not sure there is now.

I think it's lifestyle choices and general differences between genders. Men are naturally either big winners or big losers in society. If you simply look at the top you see discrimination against women however if you where to look at the bottom you would see discrimination against men.

But no one gives a [Poor language removed] abou them.

 

[marty mcfly]

If thos figures are accurate, shouldn't the government be encouraging more people to smoke?

I know. It makes me think they aren't heartless bastards after all.

 

[SNova]

Come off what?

I spoke about rapists, paedophiles, criminals and terroists. And you boiled it down to "Immigrants though hey. Blame them for everything."

 

[Walken]

There was 30 years ago. I'm not sure there is now.

I think it's lifestyle choices and general differences between genders. Men are naturally either big winners or big losers in society. If you simply look at the top you see discrimination against women however if you where to look at the bottom you would see discrimination against men.

But no one gives a [Poor language removed] abou them.

It seems to be something your passionate about, this campaign for white males, I would have thought you would have all the facts, so you can lead the noble battle