2015 post UK election discussion

[tsubaki]

We need a rule that if an MP wishes to 'change sides' that they have a by-election. They fought the seat against a manifesto which they now disown so should have to submit to re-election...............

It was once considered the done thing to have a by election when an MP became a minister.

 

[Mrk]

Have we talked about why Labour lost yet?

Because they're rubbish.

 

[roydo]

It was once considered the done thing to have a by election when an MP became a minister.

Didnt know that. Cant remember it happening in my life time either.

 

[bluemangroup]

Have we talked about why Labour lost yet?

Yes

 

[roydo]

Because they're rubbish.

Mandelson has said some interesting stuff these last few days.

 

[roydo]

Yes

Good.

 

[Moomin]

Never seen him before in my life.

I need new batteries for the fauxometer 2000

Had to ask if he was born in Ireland. Get the list ready, just in case.

 

[bluemangroup]

Mandelson has said some interesting stuff these last few days.

A lot of it seems to revolve around the idea that New Labour was a brilliant idea and deviating from it was what lost Milliband the election.

 

[Mrk]

Mandelson has said some interesting stuff these last few days.

Mandelson is the most evil man ever. But I think he's great.

Labour don't like him, but then again they don't seem to like winning elections either.

 

[tsubaki]

Didnt know that. Cant remember it happening in my life time either.

I think it died out in the late 19th century.

 

[roydo]

A lot of it seems to revolve around the idea that New Labour was a brilliant idea and deviating from it was what lost Milliband the election.

Pretty much, yeah. Mind you, he also said last week that they were nailed on.

 

[roydo]

I think it died out in the late 19th century.

Still missed it.

 

[daylightrobber]

Right, this seems to be where we differ - I can't understand why, after doing the maths, people don't wait at least a couple of years. Any scrap of savings and slightly increased earning power is better than none at all.

Waiting and trying to save is prudent and might reduce the risk of falling on hard times later. It might also serve to slightly help alleviate the strain on the public purse, and the demands placed on the state school system - even if only temporarily. I'm not setting an arbitrary figure, or demanding a set period of time: I'm just advocating a basic semblance of planning and budgeting.

The counter-argument appears to consist of "I'm impatient. Someone else can pick up the bill." I can see why over 11 million people don't really care for that counter-argument.

Are you really suggesting Tories base when they have kids on their financial situation and everyone else doesn't?

What a load of twaddle.

The counter argument is that in your mind you are ready for the next step of life's big adventure.

 

[bluemangroup]

Mandelson is the most evil man ever. But I think he's great.

Labour don't like him, but then again they don't seem to like winning elections either.

Seem to have lost the nasty streak. There aren't enough horrible ruthless bastards behind the scenes and the party has become a bit rudderless because of it.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Didnt know that. Cant remember it happening in my life time either.

"Historically, members of some parliaments were required to seek re-election upon being appointed to a ministerial post. The subsequent by-elections were termed "ministerial by-elections". These by-elections were usually a formality as they were normally, but not always, uncontested by opposition parties. The requirement for members of Parliament (MPs) to resign their seats and re-offer upon being appointed to cabinet was done away with as an anachronism in most Westminster systems by the mid-20th century"