2024/25 Relegation Battle (Without Everton!)

[Tony’s Carp]

Totally agree . It's selfish arrogance to do what Kompany did at Burnley and Martin did at Southampton

Arrogance is exactly the word mate. Trying to turn “I have one idea” from a flaw to a virtue. Like varying your tactical approach is some sort of moral weakness.

 

[WelshBlue92]

Last season 27 points was enough for safety, the year before that 35. I honestly think it could be around the 30 point mark this season.

 

[smileychap]

No.

Probably 36 points gets you safe.

Or less. Wouldn't surprise me if 32/33 scrapes us up.

I wasn't overjoyed to see Moyes return, but there was a great post in the DCL channel from someone who pointed how much closer our midfield was to the front line vs Spurs

If Moyes can continue to drive up the no. Corners ( Villa game ) and bodies getting forward ( spurs ) I am very confident we'll be well outta the drop zone, but given shape of table that might not mean exiting bottom 6.

I still think / hope one of palace, Brentford, spurs or hammers might capitulate or at least be catchable..

 

[WelshBlue92]

Or less. Wouldn't surprise me if 32/33 scrapes us up.

I wasn't overjoyed to see Moyes return, but there was a great post in the DCL channel from someone who pointed how much closer our midfield was to the front line vs Spurs

If Moyes can continue to drive up the no. Corners ( Villa game ) and bodies getting forward ( spurs ) I am very confident we'll be well outta the drop zone, but given shape of table that might not mean exiting bottom 6.

I still think / hope one of palace, Brentford, spurs or hammers might capitulate or at least be catchable..

My money would be on catching West Ham or Palace (if our results pick up), Man U should surely get their act together soon and Spurs will eventually get out of their injury crisis.

 

[davek]

Or less. Wouldn't surprise me if 32/33 scrapes us up.
I wasn't overjoyed to see Moyes return, but there was a great post in the DCL channel from someone who pointed how much closer our midfield was to the front line vs Spurs
If Moyes can continue to drive up the no. Corners ( Villa game ) and bodies getting forward ( spurs ) I am very confident we'll be well outta the drop zone, but given shape of table that might not mean exiting bottom 6.

I still think / hope one of palace, Brentford, spurs or hammers might capitulate or at least be catchable..

Sixth bottom is fine.

 

[Paul Rideout]

Last season 27 points was enough for safety, the year before that 35. I honestly think it could be around the 30 point mark this season.

I want Moyes to have us finish above West Ham (just to send the hammers fans into meltdown) lol

 

[JohnRoss23]

Wouldn't even be having this discussion had Dyche and his reckless tactics not blown 2-0 leads to Villa and Bournemouth early in the season.

 

[Socistep2]

After 22 games last season, forest were 3rd bottom on 16 points, same as Ipswich are now

By the end of the season, they had swapped places with Luton who had 19 points after 22 games following a 4 nil home win against Brighton

 

[Socistep2]

Luton faded badly last season and whilst Burnley rallied you still would have been safe with 27 points, suspect it will be a little higher this season but not much

I suspect 32-35 keeps you safe this season

 

[cjuk87]

Would you be expecting us to win at Stamford Bridge if it was us playing them?

TBF, that's a very different question. Wolves can score goals. They're just a defensive mess. Whilst before yesterday, we struggled to score goals.

Chelsea's form has dropped dramatically too. I don't trust them either. Just got to hope they turn up tonight. I've taken Jackson out of my fantasy team, so he should bang in 3 or 4.

 

[brieverton]

Hope we can put another 4 or 5 points on the gap to Ipswich in the coming weeks.

That type of daylight should be enough for us.

The aim has to be to achieve relative comfort as soon as possible. It's important anyway but we have to avoid going into the last games at Goodison with points being a necessity.

 

[bluestevon]

Totally agree with the first part. The real top managers constantly reinvent. Pep is the master. Lesser managers like Ange, or Russel Martin, or even Dyche, cling stubbornly to one style of football, it doesn’t make you principled it just limits your shelf life. Too much analytics in the game now- if teams know how you’ll play they’ll work out how to beat you.

Thought Moyes got it spot on yesterday with his sort of hybrid approach at the back. None of us knew for sure what it was going to be from the team sheet, I’ve seen people argue about what it was even now it’s been. Worked yesterday, might work next week, won’t work forever. I’m sure unlike Mr “this is how we play, mate” Moyes is canny enough to know it.

More is pragmatic rather more than anything, it's a good trait to have unless you're managing the best.

Think the one tine he let pragmatism go was the United job when he fitted out Ferguson's staff etc, that's the one time I think he let ego take over

 

[bluestevon]

….so if I think we need 5 more wins, that logic suggests the teams below look like they could need 7 wins before the end of the season. Leicester and Ipswich have both won 3 in 22, so it’ll take some improvement from them.

5 more wins for us will be tough enough but it’s what I want to achieve.

I think we'll finish between 42-46 points mate this season now

 

[bluestevon]

If Everton maintain their current points per game ratio (taken for the whole of this season) you will get to 36 points.
Ipswich would need to virtually double their points per game from 0.7 to 1.3 in order to get to 37 points. Leicester and Southampton more so.

Your lot are going superb now mate, good to see Glasner given the time actually

 

[bluestevon]

My money would be on catching West Ham or Palace (if our results pick up), Man U should surely get their act together soon and Spurs will eventually get out of their injury crisis.

Not sure why you'd think we could bet on catching Palace for, they won 5 drew 5 out their last 11 games, only loss to Arsenal.

In that run got home draws against City, Newcastle, Chelsea, beat Brighton and West Ham away drew away at Bournemouth and Villa.

They're in absolutely great form.