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50+1 Petition

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  • Yes

    Votes: 15 45.5%
  • No

    Votes: 12 36.4%
  • Cheese on toast

    Votes: 6 18.2%

  • Total voters
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This gives the six clubs what they want but does nothing to benefit us.

They will still be spending loads more than us under that model.

I've not got a problem with the direction our owner is taking us. I've got a lot more trust in him after this week.

Arsed with this narrative. I want the clubs punished.
 
I possibly don't completely understand this concept, but I'm not sure how it ever works in practice.

How do we create 50 + 1 % fan ownership?

Are owners forced to sell to fans? If so, how is that done?

Are new shares issued to the fans rather than sales, in order to dilute the owners share? What price do fans pay for these shares and do these shares have voting rights?

What if fans aren't capable of running a high value business like a top flight football club?

What makes a fan eligible for ownership? Match attendance? Some form of official club subscription/membership? Know the names of all their team's players?

I get that I don't understand the mechanisms of this model, but those are some of the questions in my mind. And that's before even considering where the shortfall in funding will come from? I'm open to this idea, I just need someone to convince me it can work basically.
 
This is an impractical hyperbolic reaction, akin to the arguement that socialism is the solution to all of the worlds problems

If forced through, it would benefit Liverpool & United more than anyone else
Socialism is the answer. We are just yet to see it manifest because a few very powerful people run capitalist societies and absolutely refuse to redistribute the wealth or allow their media to discuss the benefits.
 
Socialism is the answer. We are just yet to see it manifest because a few very powerful people run capitalist societies and absolutely refuse to redistribute the wealth or allow their media to discuss the benefits.

It's one hell of a rabbit hole Chris & all I am going to say is the wealth wouldnt be there to redistribute.

There has to be a far more equitable share in football - but the idea of asking these people to take all the risk (not just the 6, but Moshiri as well) yet redistribute isnt fit for purpose either
 
It's one hell of a rabbit hole Chris & all I am going to say is the wealth wouldnt be there to redistribute.

There has to be a far more equitable share in football - but the idea of asking these people to take all the risk (not just the 6, but Moshiri as well) yet redistribute isnt fit for purpose either
In many separate studies i have been aware of it is consistently concluded that it is not wealth or the lack thereof that causes unhappiness, it is the disparity, the gap between the rich snd the poor. This needs to be addressed both in society and within football- unless as a species we are content to have the 5% of the population that holds 95% of the world's wealth the only ones who are (potentially) happy.
 

In many separate studies i have been aware of it is consistently concluded that it is not wealth or the lack thereof that causes unhappiness, it is the disparity, the gap between the rich snd the poor. This needs to be addressed both in society and within football- unless as a species we are content to have the 5% of the population that holds 95% of the world's wealth the only ones who are (potentially) happy.

Rabbit hole - Im out
 
Again what benefit are we getting from this?

Teams with more supporters can just outspend us. Why should we have any more faith that fans in charge of those teams would stop them acting solely in their own interests ahead of ours?

They never showed solidarity with us until their position in our league was threatened. They've been happy to slough off bigger shares of cash from Europe and domestic TV rights.
 

Why should Evertonians care who owns the other teams in the league?

We need to take away their power at the table. I don't see how this does that.

Maybe read the link.

Example;

#2 EMPOWER SUPPORTERS WITH IMMEDIATE 50+1 LAW​

Given the threat to our clubs remains real, we need to provide immediate safeguards for supporters to be able to act to protect the best interests of their clubs. We call on the Government to legislate to require all English clubs to secure a 51% majority of their registered season ticket holders on any major decision that fundamentally affects the club’s identity or future (for instance: a change of competition or league; a change of home ground; a change of name, club colours or badge).


If you can't see the benefit in that, then that's your opinion.
 
We have an excellent owner in place who has bought into the tradition of the club completely whilst still pushing a progressive agenda to see us improve. We are proof that there are good owners out there if you are prepared to find them. Moshiri shouldn't be punished and forced to relinquish a percentage of his shares because of the crimes of other people, I feel far safer with him and our current directors at the helm than I would with half the board being stacked with die hard blues.

Sadly, and the fans are culpable in this as much as anyone. Finding a new owner is usually a race to the bottom to attract whichever despot, human rights abuser or blood sucking venture capitalist you can just because they bring the money. We saw with Newcastle recently, one of the world's most evil men tried to buy that club and their fans were all for it.

One thing that needs to be stopped, and this would automatically dissuade a lot of Americans from taking an interest in our clubs, is the practise of buying a club with its own money and putting them into debt. It's just happened again with Burnley. Top of the criteria when the premier league is assessing a new owner, before looking at whatever skeletons may be in their closet, should be "can you pay for the amount of shares you are trying to buy with your own capital tomorrow?" If the answer is no, tell them to jog on.
 
Maybe read the link.

Example;

#2 EMPOWER SUPPORTERS WITH IMMEDIATE 50+1 LAW​

Given the threat to our clubs remains real, we need to provide immediate safeguards for supporters to be able to act to protect the best interests of their clubs. We call on the Government to legislate to require all English clubs to secure a 51% majority of their registered season ticket holders on any major decision that fundamentally affects the club’s identity or future (for instance: a change of competition or league; a change of home ground; a change of name, club colours or badge).


If you can't see the benefit in that, then that's your opinion.
I don't see the benefit and it is my opinion.

How will this stop them throwing their weight around and demanding a bigger share of the pie?

The only thing this solves are those clubs' frustrations with their owners.

I don't have an issue with Moshiri owning more than 50% of us. What are we going to get out of supporting it in your opinion?
 
I don't see the benefit and it is my opinion.

How will this stop them throwing their weight around and demanding a bigger share of the pie?

The only thing this solves are those clubs' frustrations with their owners.

I don't have an issue with Moshiri owning more than 50% of us. What are we going to get out of supporting it in your opinion?

Did you like that Everton crest then?

It's also about loads more than Everton and petty tribalism, it's about the game itself.
 
Did you like that Everton crest then?

It's also about loads more than Everton and petty tribalism, it's about the game itself.
I'm not convinced that these other six clubs supporters will have the best interests of the game at heart above their own interests.

Why would they? You never saw them kicking off over UEFA making a coefficient rule to guarantee one of them a CL spot they didn't earn.

Tribalism won't go away giving these fans a percentage of the club. This will change nothing in the status quo.
 

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