6 + 2 Point Deductions

[PITA]

Yes that's a fair point , one of whom has passed away and the other will hopefully be kicked out with his kecks round his ankles soon.

Hopefully this stain will stick with Moshiri. The worst cancer this club has had to endure.

Only a few on here saw him for what he was from the word go. Those posters know who they are. I am one of then.

We know that you are a RS. You don't need to tell us.

 

[edge]

That isn't true they actually found in our favour in some instances.

Which ones?

 

[ToffeeTim]

That isn't true. The Premier League was the party that did not allege that the club had been dishonest. That is pretty standard. Alleging dishonesty puts the emphasis on the complainant to prove their allegation.

It is the same in racism cases. The Premier League will accuse a player of making a racist remark but will then state they are not accusing the player of being a racist. One needs a far higher burden of proof than the other legally.

Correct, that's what I said.

So I don't think it's fair to say the club have mislead the league

 

[radiostar]

We know that you are a RS. You don't need to tell us.

Okay mate. Whatever.

 

[EFC_FRANCIS]

The premier leagues profit and sustainability rules were (we are told) brought in to stop another Pompey incident. Yet a club that is taking on payday loans to stay afloat is now looking at a 19 point deduction and administration thanks to the penalties for breaking said rules lol

 

[arch stanton]

Two totally different things.

From the judgement. https://resources.premierleague.com...gue-v-Everton-FC-Decision-for-Publication.pdf page 11 point 29.

Everton had signed Player X in 2017. Player X had proved to be a star player
for the club. In July 2021 Player X was arrested. The FA suspended Player
X from all football activity, making it impossible for him to perform his
contractual duties. On 23 August 2021 Everton dismissed Player X.

We dismissed the player but still retained his contract. We did that in case he was cleared and we could recoup a fee.

does the Bosman rule not apply anymore then

 

[Moderatelywarmwater]

Correct, that's what I said.

So I don't think it's fair to say the club have mislead the league

I’m just using the exact words the report did though.
but to be fair, they do talk more about Moshiri failing to act ”in good faith”

 

[PITA]

I think you've got me mistaken for someone else

Nah.

 

[PITA]

The Independent Commission rejected the Premier League's formula and came to its own decision. That is because a formula would not allow for mitigating and aggravating factors.

LOL.

 

[radiostar]

Nah.

Ok well I'm happy to agree to disagree and we can both continue on our own merry way.

 

[gwladysnight]

Which ones?

118. The Commission considers that Everton has the better case on this issue. We
agree with the Premier League that it is inappropriate to attempt to import
isolated provisions from the EFL, but we consider that a consistent improving
trend is something that can be credited as a matter of principle. A specific
provision is not required to enable a Commission to find that a club which is
attempting to improve may be able to have such improvement stand as
mitigation. We consider it is wholly appropriate for Everton to follow the
Covid provisions and to average the PSR figures for FYs 2020/2021: indeed,
as that averaging was introduced by the Premier League to meet one of the
challenges created by Covid, it would be strange not to do so. Finally, we
consider that it is appropriate for us to look at the trend over the years
included in the PSR submission. The position in subsequent years is a matter
for those years.
119. For these reasons we conclude that the improving trend is a feature that goes
some limited way to diminish Everton’s culpability

 

[BlueToff]

I've got a podcast coming out tomorrow with someone who knows more than me - they may well be on here - about this and we've gone through the report in detail.

If you can be arsed listening to my nasally tones, I'll link it in here. It'll be in two parts.

 

[Rob17896]

But we got zero competitive advantage from it as the players were terrible. The only argument they have is that the points should’ve been deducted in the relevant season they went down. This is not our fault.

Interesting that they changed the way stadium costs could be treated when it probably only impacted Everton and Spurs who I assume are still paying for their build. Yet City and West Ham got amazing deals from public investment.

 

[marnie]

118. The Commission considers that Everton has the better case on this issue. We
agree with the Premier League that it is inappropriate to attempt to import
isolated provisions from the EFL, but we consider that a consistent improving
trend is something that can be credited as a matter of principle. A specific
provision is not required to enable a Commission to find that a club which is
attempting to improve may be able to have such improvement stand as
mitigation. We consider it is wholly appropriate for Everton to follow the
Covid provisions and to average the PSR figures for FYs 2020/2021: indeed,
as that averaging was introduced by the Premier League to meet one of the
challenges created by Covid, it would be strange not to do so. Finally, we
consider that it is appropriate for us to look at the trend over the years
included in the PSR submission. The position in subsequent years is a matter
for those years.
119. For these reasons we conclude that the improving trend is a feature that goes
some limited way to diminish Everton’s culpability

I really really hope....some bloke is balls deep in yer birds growler right now.

 

[IrishBlue2022]

I've got a podcast coming out tomorrow with someone who knows more than me - they may well be on here - about this and we've gone through the report in detail.

If you can be arsed listening to my nasally tones, I'll link it in here. It'll be in two parts.

Link us up aslong as the guest isnt that Astro.