6 + 2 Point Deductions

[GoldenToffee]

Manchester City would bite their hands off for a simple 50 point deduction. They'd still have probably a 50% chance of staying up, would invest in the summer, then win the league next season. No incentive not to do all their cheating all over again.

 

[hallamblue]

Manchester City would bite their hands off for a simple 50 point deduction. They'd still have probably a 50% chance of staying up, would invest in the summer, then win the league next season. No incentive not to do all their cheating all over again.

Difference is, it wouldn't be seen as cheating this time around, as they're starting from a higher base.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Hearing rumours that City won't be punished by expulsion, but by a points deduction of a size that could potentially see them relegated on points.

They won't get expulsion because it will go to appeal, but what happens if their points deduction is so large it sees them relegated, then they appeal. Surely, as has happened in all other cases, the points deduction stands until such a time as the appeal has been completed.

I just want to see them crushed tbqhwy.

Would be interesting. If I had to guess the PL won’t do anything that takes the jeopardy out of either end of the table, therefore any point deduction might be enough to have City in a relegation battle until the end of the season (e.g 45 points would leave them needing to get high 70s to have a chance of staying up).

Similar as the way they had no precedent for our points deduction but in 10 points arrived at just the right amount to keep us in a relegation battle we wouldn’t have been in for nearly the whole season. Equally with Forest a 10 point deduction would have put them in a lot of trouble so it was conveniently less on good faith which also happens to put them in an entertaining mix with us in a relegation battle that would have been decided by November otherwise.

Leicester would have been dead this season with a points deduction. Conveniently none had arrived so they too can add to the drama at the bottom.

 

[kenada_blue]

Would be interesting. If I had to guess the PL won’t do anything that takes the jeopardy out of either end of the table, therefore any point deduction might be enough to have City in a relegation battle until the end of the season (e.g 45 points would leave them needing to get high 70s to have a chance of staying up).

Similar as the way they had no precedent for our points deduction but in 10 points arrived at just the right amount to keep us in a relegation battle we wouldn’t have been in for nearly the whole season. Equally with Forest a 10 point deduction would have put them in a lot of trouble so it was conveniently less on good faith which also happens to put them in an entertaining mix with us in a relegation battle that would have been decided by November otherwise.

Leicester would have been dead this season with a points deduction. Conveniently none had arrived so they too can add to the drama at the bottom.

15 points reduced to 10 IMO.

Again, in context towards ourselves when they made up punishments on the fly (remember they wanted something like a total of like 20+ points off us over the 2 hearings), it's farcical.

 

[Tony’s Carp]

15 points reduced to 10 IMO.

Again, in context towards ourselves when they made up punishments on the fly (remember they wanted something like a total of like 20+ points off us over the 2 hearings), it's farcical.

Think the only way it’s as light as that is if they’re found not guilty on the majority of the charges. If they are guilty of all charges IMO it’s got to be very severe as they will have systematically cheated the league for years.

Thing to remember is that while City are a powerful club now the REAL establishment clubs who wield power in the league like United, Arsenal or the RS are the ones who will have lost titles, places and an awful lot of money through City’s cheating (if proven). They are not going to be ok with the punishment for that being a small deduction then back to normal. They’re going to want them vollied into the sun.

 

[kenada_blue]

Think the only way it’s as light as that is if they’re found not guilty on the majority of the charges. If they are guilty of all charges IMO it’s got to be very severe as they will have systematically cheated the league for years.

Thing to remember is that while City are a powerful club now the REAL establishment clubs who wield power in the league like United, Arsenal or the RS are the ones who will have lost titles, places and an awful lot of money through City’s cheating (if proven). They are not going to be ok with the punishment for that being a small deduction then back to normal. They’re going to want them vollied into the sun.

Of course. But there's what should happen and what will happen.

They'll be a nonsensical out of thin air reasoning behind not being "able" to punish them in line with how they set their stall out (ie us), and the legal minefield City will drop on them.

They'll handshake on it. City will shake a fist with empty threats to the league and eventually finish 6th in the league.

All will forgotten next season.

In context with how other teams have been punished, they only need to be found guilty of 1 to see a points deduction.

They've 115 to dodge.

 

[Chegsy]

Anything as severe as a 50 point deduction would have this current City team in trouble imo. They would need a huge turn around in form and the ability to spend in Jan. Not saying they couldn't do it but on recent viewing they would struggle.

 

[Drico]

By the way, one upshot of yesterday's takeover here is that if the PL hit us with any sanctions, they can expect to be sued to kingdown come by own new overlords.

There was no coincidence that we were hit with draconian sanctions when we were on our knees administratively. This club was defenceless in the face of the PL's assault. Look at how Forest got a much lesser sanction and Leicester none at all. We were like an open goal. Not any more...

 

[matty1878]

By the way, one upshot of yesterday's takeover here is that if the PL hit us with any sanctions, they can expect to be sued to kingdown come by own new overlords.

There was no coincidence that we were hit with draconian sanctions when we were on our knees administratively. This club was defenceless in the face of the PL's assault. Look at how Forest got a much lesser sanction and Leicester none at all. We were like an open goal. Not any more...

love this

 

[Jacko93]

Think the only way it’s as light as that is if they’re found not guilty on the majority of the charges. If they are guilty of all charges IMO it’s got to be very severe as they will have systematically cheated the league for years.

Thing to remember is that while City are a powerful club now the REAL establishment clubs who wield power in the league like United, Arsenal or the RS are the ones who will have lost titles, places and an awful lot of money through City’s cheating (if proven). They are not going to be ok with the punishment for that being a small deduction then back to normal. They’re going to want them vollied into the sun.

The interesting thing is that they're unlikely to only be found guilty of one charge, as many are the same thing, just different seasons. So if they're not guilty on 1, they're not guilty on 7 or 8, same as being found guilty. There is no way that one charge gets between 5-10 points, yet multiple breaches of willingly misleading in order to gain an advantage, get only a small fraction over that. It would surely lead to absolute mayhem.

They need to find them not guilty of all in my opinion, or and guilty verdict should lead to -10 for each charges found guilty of. That way, if they're found guilty of all, then -1150 points, and they drop into the league where ever they're allowed in, starting next season on -1150. If they get 50 points that next season, then start on -1100 and so on. In fact, let them sportsmanship in Nat L2 for 10 years.

 

[Bebeto]

Manchester City would bite their hands off for a simple 50 point deduction. They'd still have probably a 50% chance of staying up, would invest in the summer, then win the league next season. No incentive not to do all their cheating all over again.

A 50 points deduction, and assuming they're doing as bad for the rest of the season, will probably leave them on 20ish points at the end of the season, and so relegation. If they're guilty of all or most of the charges, 50 points is not enough...based on our and forest penalties, it should be something like 8 points perhaps reduce to 6 for good faith and collaboration for the first infringement, but then 1 point for each of the subsequent breaches.

 

[Blue peter]

They should be removed from the division - very simple. The Premier League can very easily ban Manchester City from the division for X number of years. I'd think about 10-15 is suitable for what they've done. Then it would be up to City to negotiate with a league further down the. pyramid to let them in, with no guarantee it would be the Championship. One relegation for City = they're competing for top honours in 12 months = it's no punishment at all.

I’d like to see them stripped of their PL titles if they are found guilty, this would push them back below us as all time winners of top flight titles, conversely however it may mean rs are awarded to additional titles by default…..conflicted

 

[Ring master]

Hearing rumours that City won't be punished by expulsion, but by a points deduction of a size that could potentially see them relegated on points.

They won't get expulsion because it will go to appeal, but what happens if their points deduction is so large it sees them relegated, then they appeal. Surely, as has happened in all other cases, the points deduction stands until such a time as the appeal has been completed.

I just want to see them crushed tbqhwy.

I've stuck to it all the time that City would not get relegated, but would get a big points deduction, but not enough to send them down

 

[Bebeto]

Hearing rumours that City won't be punished by expulsion, but by a points deduction of a size that could potentially see them relegated on points.

They won't get expulsion because it will go to appeal, but what happens if their points deduction is so large it sees them relegated, then they appeal. Surely, as has happened in all other cases, the points deduction stands until such a time as the appeal has been completed.

I just want to see them crushed tbqhwy.

I am in 2 way about this...realistically they are the only team that can challenge Liverpool even if they're not doing well at the moment. Then it would be also hugely controversial if they get off with a small point deduction versus our point deduction for one charge. Pressure would then fall on the PL and would be interesting to see how they end up explaining it to the fans of the clubs concerned.

 

[Bryan+]

I’ve estimated it between minimum Deduction: 15–20 points and a maximum Deduction: 30–50 points. Based on the deduction we got and forest received.

I’ve estimated:

Minimum Deduction: 15–20 points.
Maximum Deduction: 30–50 points.

Based on ours and forest points deductions.