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6 + 2 Point Deductions

We’ve been punished enough by the regulations in ways people don’t even recognise.

Never forget how close we were twice to the oblivion of relegation. Many factors contributed to that but it’s impossible to look past being forced to sell James Richarlison Digne Gordon Gueye and replace them with cheap players and loans as a massive reason for this.

The only reason this occurred is because we were trying to comply with the regulations. Whilst the top 6 could just spend to an unlimited budget we sacrificed any opportunity at sporting success in order to comply.

We’ve been punished more than enough already by the regulations which in effect have cost us Ancelotti as a manager, all those players listed above, and put stringent limits on FIVE transfer windows already which will probably end up being 7 by the time we’re back in compliance. A paltry fine is about all I would begrudgingly accept as ‘fair’, any points deduction at all is an utter disgrace and there’d be absolutely no logical basis for a transfer ban either. Clubs should be punished for P&S violations by being limited in what they can spend in future windows and we’ve done that for three consecutive seasons now.

We’ve absolutely decimated the club trying to comply with a set of guidelines that serve no purpose whatsoever and still it’s not enough for them and they want to punish us further.

Honestly what even is the crime? A sporting advantage? The entire league is set up for the benefit of 6 teams who have every advantage possible to them yet despite us spending huge amounts less than all of them we somehow tried to gain a sporting advantage?

This ruling if upheld is the death knell for the premier league, the mist has been removed and finally people can see what I’ve always known: the PL see the other 14 clubs as cannon fodder to just sit there quietly and take their beatings predictably, if one gets out of line they’ll absolutely decimate them, they can’t afford their golden carriage to be rocked one bit.
Absolutely correct. The punishment was the last three seasons being shackled by the PL. Yes.

Of course some outsiders will view our case against the backdrop of Everton spending a lot of cash under Moshiri. But there's just so much ammunition we have to throw at any really independent appeal panel. I said earlier that if this could go to the Court of Sports Arbitration then we'd be home and dry. Natural justice demands we get at least a reduction in this punishment.

A book will be written about these events one day and the PL will come out of it very very poorly.
 
Absolutely correct. The punishment was the last three seasons being shackled by the PL. Yes.

Of course some outsiders will view our case against the backdrop of Everton spending a lot of cash under Moshiri. But there's just so much ammunition we have to throw at any really independent appeal panel. I said earlier that if this could go to the Court of Spports Administration then we'd be home and dry. Natural justice demands we get at least a reduction in this punishment.

A book will be written about these events one day and the PL will come out of it very very poorly.
I think the PL are already coming out of it poorly. What they've done here is effectively get us to say we are guilty and then decided to create some rules and penalties in regard to sanctions. The time to do that is when you bring the new system of FFP / PSR in.

If they had done this before or during covid then it would be more agreeable but August 23?

That said, Moshiri still got us in to this mess. Most were happy when it was spend, spend, spend but he has failed to oversee that we stayed compliant. Going to be an really interesting few weeks to see if anything happens to Chelsea, who have self reported under the new owner, and City.
 
We’ve been punished enough by the regulations in ways people don’t even recognise.

Never forget how close we were twice to the oblivion of relegation. Many factors contributed to that but it’s impossible to look past being forced to sell James Richarlison Digne Gordon Gueye and replace them with cheap players and loans as a massive reason for this.

The only reason this occurred is because we were trying to comply with the regulations. Whilst the top 6 could just spend to an unlimited budget we sacrificed any opportunity at sporting success in order to comply.

We’ve been punished more than enough already by the regulations which in effect have cost us Ancelotti as a manager, all those players listed above, and put stringent limits on FIVE transfer windows already which will probably end up being 7 by the time we’re back in compliance. A paltry fine is about all I would begrudgingly accept as ‘fair’, any points deduction at all is an utter disgrace and there’d be absolutely no logical basis for a transfer ban either. Clubs should be punished for P&S violations by being limited in what they can spend in future windows and we’ve done that for three consecutive seasons now.

We’ve absolutely decimated the club trying to comply with a set of guidelines that serve no purpose whatsoever and still it’s not enough for them and they want to punish us further.

Honestly what even is the crime? A sporting advantage? The entire league is set up for the benefit of 6 teams who have every advantage possible to them yet despite us spending huge amounts less than all of them we somehow tried to gain a sporting advantage?

This ruling if upheld is the death knell for the premier league, the mist has been removed and finally people can see what I’ve always known: the PL see the other 14 clubs as cannon fodder to just sit there quietly and take their beatings predictably, if one gets out of line they’ll absolutely decimate them, they can’t afford their golden carriage to be rocked one bit.

Brilliant post mate! ;)
 
Have the premier league actually acknowleged that we've had ten points taken off us yet? As of this morning I hadn't seen any mention of them trashing their league table, or announcing it at all in any way. Surely it's news that their own league table won't make sense to the casual observer for the rest of this season? They've said nothing.
 

Even though we put ourselves in this position, with our appalling business model. We. Have tried to work with the Premier League to get our house in order over the past couple of years. The swingeing penalty inflicted on us by the Premier League should serve as a salutary lesson to clubs who find themselves skating on thin ice in coming seasons. Don't work with the Premier League, they will encourage you to toe the line and work with them and then, because you are not one of the chosen 6, they will see an easy target and come down on you hard.

More and more over the past couple of seasons I have come to think that the European Super League may well be a good thing. It would give the premier league a good kick in the plums and leave the English clubs, with the exception of the sky 6, a chance to get back to a properly competitive league which is affordable for working people. I accept that the super star players would not want to play in a league like that, but, I really don't care any more, TV companies control the game and make sure the Premier League do exactly what they want them to do.
 
Have the premier league actually acknowleged that we've had ten points taken off us yet? As of this morning I hadn't seen any mention of them trashing their league table, or announcing it at all in any way. Surely it's news that their own league table won't make sense to the casual observer for the rest of this season? They've said nothing.
there is a very dull graphic on a very short explanation if you scroll down on their home page
Not even worthy of headline news on there. Either embarrassment about it or disdain for us

Edit* it has been moved from there.
You now have to click into editors choice news, and scroll down to
a very dull graphic on a very short explanation

They are trying to move on quickly. Lets not let them
 
Even though we put ourselves in this position, with our appalling business model. We. Have tried to work with the Premier League to get our house in order over the past couple of years. The swingeing penalty inflicted on us by the Premier League should serve as a salutary lesson to clubs who find themselves skating on thin ice in coming seasons. Don't work with the Premier League, they will encourage you to toe the line and work with them and then, because you are not one of the chosen 6, they will see an easy target and come down on you hard More and more over the past couple of seasons I have come to think that the European Super League may well be a good thing. It would give the premier league a good kick in the plums and leave the English clubs, with the exception of the sky 6, a chance to get back to a properly competitive league which is affordable for working people. I accept that the super star players would not want to play in a league like that, but, I really don't care any more, TV companies control the game and make sure the Premier League do exactly what they want them to do.
I was gutted it didn't happen.

I want the PL destroyed. I'd love to see that happen.
 
I accept that the super star players would not want to play in a league like that, but, I really don't care any more, TV companies control the game and make sure the Premier League do exactly what they want them to do.
Sod them. They spend more time on the deck whinging than playing footy anyway, unless you just watch the highlights.

Back to the 3 foreigners only rule, and a ban on any owners with HQ located more than 50 miles from the ground. Live in a deprived area like Blackburn? Pray there's another Jack Walker on the scene.

If there isn't, someone aspirational must drag themselves up by their bootstraps and save the local club with their own industrial nous, entrepreneurial spirit. Steve Gibson at Boro being a prime example.
 

Given the shakiness of our ownership now and likely in the future, there's a good chance we change hands more than once over the coming years. In such a scenario, I have no more objection to human rights abusing kleptocrats or beyond the pale nation states taking us over. It's a bit like nuclear weapons. In a world where the US and Russia can bully you or invade you if you don't have them, we need to go full North Korea and arm ourselves to the teeth if the opportunity arises.

The PL mask has slipped now. There is no viable future in the Premier League for any club that isn't funded by unregulatable money. I used to be appalled at the notion of Everton being taken over by Qataris or whatever. No longer. Dog eat dog now.
 
Sod them. They spend more time on the deck whinging than playing footy anyway, unless you just watch the highlights.

Back to the 3 foreigners only rule, and a ban on any owners with HQ located more than 50 miles from the ground. Live in a deprived area like Blackburn? Pray there's another Jack Walker on the scene.

If there isn't, someone aspirational must drag themselves up by their bootstraps and save the local club with their own industrial nous, entrepreneurial spirit. Steve Gibson at Boro being a prime example.
Quite the dystopian future you long for there. Sounds awful lol
 
We’ve been punished enough by the regulations in ways people don’t even recognise.

Never forget how close we were twice to the oblivion of relegation. Many factors contributed to that but it’s impossible to look past being forced to sell James Richarlison Digne Gordon Gueye and replace them with cheap players and loans as a massive reason for this.

The only reason this occurred is because we were trying to comply with the regulations. Whilst the top 6 could just spend to an unlimited budget we sacrificed any opportunity at sporting success in order to comply.

We’ve been punished more than enough already by the regulations which in effect have cost us Ancelotti as a manager, all those players listed above, and put stringent limits on FIVE transfer windows already which will probably end up being 7 by the time we’re back in compliance. A paltry fine is about all I would begrudgingly accept as ‘fair’, any points deduction at all is an utter disgrace and there’d be absolutely no logical basis for a transfer ban either. Clubs should be punished for P&S violations by being limited in what they can spend in future windows and we’ve done that for three consecutive seasons now.

We’ve absolutely decimated the club trying to comply with a set of guidelines that serve no purpose whatsoever and still it’s not enough for them and they want to punish us further.

Honestly what even is the crime? A sporting advantage? The entire league is set up for the benefit of 6 teams who have every advantage possible to them yet despite us spending huge amounts less than all of them we somehow tried to gain a sporting advantage?

This ruling if upheld is the death knell for the premier league, the mist has been removed and finally people can see what I’ve always known: the PL see the other 14 clubs as cannon fodder to just sit there quietly and take their beatings predictably, if one gets out of line they’ll absolutely decimate them, they can’t afford their golden carriage to be rocked one bit.
i don't disagree with much of this, your points of the 6 teams is absolutely spot on, we could be accused of being a negative there, because we were there once, or twice, but i think that would be weak, they must have broken 'the rules'. The Liverpoo's and Man Us or Citys, and / or Chelsea's can't disagree with this surely, and should therefore be vociferously investigated, and therefore charged ?!

But, are we not hamstrung by the flagrant disregard for building a team properly by our owners, particularly with his so called interference? , and not understanding the rules that are in front of us, particularly before we started spending, after having so many years of having almost literally, (or thats how it felt) nothing to fight with in terms of a pot to buy players? (Magaye Gueye anyone). We then had literally loads of money, spent it on 64 Number 10's and various other players, some (very few) very good, Pickford, some not so (many), Keane is an easy example... we just made our own bed in some respects.. don't you think?

All of this may have cost us Ancelotti, but would he still have gone anyway? Gordon i'm really not bothered about, i think he will be a Craig Hignett of the premier league, too good, for the championship, not good enough for the premier league, for those who remember.

However, i am not arguing with what you say per se, and it's easy to pick arguments if you want, i think overall you're right in the sense of the 10 point deduction is wholly wrong, it has to be reviewed and reduced.

To allow it to stand will be just completely wrong.
 
Absolutely correct. The punishment was the last three seasons being shackled by the PL. Yes.

Of course some outsiders will view our case against the backdrop of Everton spending a lot of cash under Moshiri. But there's just so much ammunition we have to throw at any really independent appeal panel. I said earlier that if this could go to the Court of Sports Arbitration then we'd be home and dry. Natural justice demands we get at least a reduction in this punishment.

A book will be written about these events one day and the PL will come out of it very very poorly.
It's also strange that we are seemingly the only club who has tried to buy some players to maybe do a bit better in the league. Like it's unheard of.
Nottingham Forest bought 500 players in the summer between Championship and Premier League. I'll be interested to see their 3 year accounts if they stay up twice more.
Sporting advantage? Two years and counting...

Leicester broke FFP to get promoted, paid out a 3 mil settlement to the EFL and won the premier league 2 years later. They never argued then that somebody else should have been promoted in their place. Why are they angry now?
Sporting advantage? They won the PL and got to quarters of the UCL.

Yes we bought a lot of dross, but there's too much spin already that we've somehow cheated the game, but sporting advantage?
We beat United 4-0 and we went on a run to avoid relegation. And we had glitzy managers who couldnt remember the postcode of the training ground.

I've seen Simon Jordan spouting off his opinion on Everton breaching FFP, it's all over my Internet, when a simple tap on the shoulder would tell him Everton never broke FFP and that world's loudest fake tan is already taken by that American feller.

We are also the only club building a stadium right now, and them changing the rules on stadium interest after we took the loan is somehow not newsworthy. And then applying that new rule retrospectively to our loan, well, even the Tories haven't done that yet with any of their new laws.
Shall we go back to Daniel Levy and add the interest on his £900m stadium onto his club's accounts this year? Wonder what he would say about that.

Anyone who can argue we've had a sporting advantage is a legal genius, no doubt. I don't believe it's possible. We've been cack for years now. Its football. It's a game. Or it's meant to be.
 

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