6 + 2 Point Deductions

I think our biggest problem is that we got loans and didnt state they were for the Stadium.

So in that case it cant be used for the Stadium.

We made an accounting error.

If only we knew an accountant.
In the documentation supplied to the independent commission the loan companies stated the loans were for Working Capital i.e. general costs.

Everton argued this went in to a central account but the commission rejected that completely and disregarded the mitigation.
 
Ornstein said he had been told we wouldnt breach, who told him? Everton probably.

Its a concern that somebody says it after the accounts have been submitted.

@Connor the Zeigeler fella, is he legit?

He was the fella that said we were gonna get a retrospective points deduction for the pitch invasion after the Palace game. So draw whatever conclusions you want from that.
 
I think our biggest problem is that we got loans and didnt state they were for the Stadium.

So in that case it cant be used for the Stadium.

We made an accounting error.

If only we knew an accountant.
Loan repayments would never be included in a profit calculation, regardless of whether they related to the stadium or not. Only the interest on the loan would be included.

It does sound like we are paying quite high interest rates which is obviously a big problem.
 

Nottingham Forest appoint top lawyer to fight Premier League spending breach risk​

Exclusive: Sale of Brennan Johnson to Spurs may prove crucial in Forest avoiding charge similar to Everton who received 10-point deduction

John Percy2 January 2024 • 5:44pm


Nottingham Forest have enlisted leading sports lawyer Nick De Marco as they attempt to avoid any Premier League charge for breaching financial regulations.

Forest will discover later this month if they are to become the third top-flight club charged with breaking the Profitability and Sustainability Rules [PSR], following Everton’s 10-point deduction last year and Manchester City’s alleged breach.

After signing 43 players since winning the Championship play-off final in May 2022, Forest are sailing close to the wind though sources insist they are confident of avoiding sanctions.

De Marco, a KC with Blackstone Chambers, has been appointed to argue their case and has established an impressive record dealing with football, and especially Financial Fair Play.

Clubs are permitted to make financial losses of £105 million over a three-year period, with Forest reporting an annual loss of £45.6 million in their last accounts.

In the previous year, ending June 2021, they recorded a loss of £34.4 million, reduced to a loss before tax of £15.5 million.
Evangelos Marinakis, the owner, has invested more than £250 million on transfer fees in a bid to make Forest an emerging force in English football. Their wage bill will also be significant.

Last month the Greek billionaire made a further financial commitment to the club with the conversion of £11 million worth of loans into shares for the financial year 2022-23.

Forest submitted their accounts ending June 30, 2023, last week with the crux of their argument is understood to centre around the sale of Brennan Johnson to Tottenham.

Johnson was sold for £47.5 million on deadline day – a record sale for the club – and Forest will insist that they would have received a far lower fee if they had accepted an offer earlier in the summer.

Brentford failed with two offers of £30 million and £35 million for the Wales international in June and July respectively.


De Marco will put forward Forest’s defence as they aim to avoid becoming the latest club to be charged with breaking PSR.
Everton were handed the biggest punishment in Premier League history by an independent commission in December.
They have appealed against the decision to dock them 10 points, which will be heard and concluded before the end of the season.
Telegraph Sport understands that at least two other Premier League clubs are also in potential trouble under the new rules.
Manchester City were charged in February with more than 100 alleged breaches and that case remains ongoing.
New Premier League rules added to the handbook at the AGM last year mean that clubs now submit their accounts earlier in the season, on December 31 rather than March 31.

It was introduced so that any PSR breaches could be dealt with, charged and punished within the scope of the same season. All clubs submitted their PSR compliances last week and the Premier League is now considering those.
When contacted by Telegraph Sport, a Nottingham Forest spokesperson said: “The club has fully complied with its reporting obligations in respect of the Premier League’s revised profit and sustainability rules.
“Promotion to the Premier League will always create challenges, and the treatment of promotion bonuses is just one such example.
“The club approaches all such challenges with its long-term financial sustainability firmly in mind, as the Premier League rules intended.”
 

Nottingham Forest appoint top lawyer to fight Premier League spending breach risk​

Exclusive: Sale of Brennan Johnson to Spurs may prove crucial in Forest avoiding charge similar to Everton who received 10-point deduction

John Percy2 January 2024 • 5:44pm


Nottingham Forest have enlisted leading sports lawyer Nick De Marco as they attempt to avoid any Premier League charge for breaching financial regulations.

Forest will discover later this month if they are to become the third top-flight club charged with breaking the Profitability and Sustainability Rules [PSR], following Everton’s 10-point deduction last year and Manchester City’s alleged breach.

After signing 43 players since winning the Championship play-off final in May 2022, Forest are sailing close to the wind though sources insist they are confident of avoiding sanctions.

De Marco, a KC with Blackstone Chambers, has been appointed to argue their case and has established an impressive record dealing with football, and especially Financial Fair Play.

Clubs are permitted to make financial losses of £105 million over a three-year period, with Forest reporting an annual loss of £45.6 million in their last accounts.

In the previous year, ending June 2021, they recorded a loss of £34.4 million, reduced to a loss before tax of £15.5 million.
Evangelos Marinakis, the owner, has invested more than £250 million on transfer fees in a bid to make Forest an emerging force in English football. Their wage bill will also be significant.

Last month the Greek billionaire made a further financial commitment to the club with the conversion of £11 million worth of loans into shares for the financial year 2022-23.

Forest submitted their accounts ending June 30, 2023, last week with the crux of their argument is understood to centre around the sale of Brennan Johnson to Tottenham.

Johnson was sold for £47.5 million on deadline day – a record sale for the club – and Forest will insist that they would have received a far lower fee if they had accepted an offer earlier in the summer.

Brentford failed with two offers of £30 million and £35 million for the Wales international in June and July respectively.


De Marco will put forward Forest’s defence as they aim to avoid becoming the latest club to be charged with breaking PSR.
Everton were handed the biggest punishment in Premier League history by an independent commission in December.
They have appealed against the decision to dock them 10 points, which will be heard and concluded before the end of the season.
Telegraph Sport understands that at least two other Premier League clubs are also in potential trouble under the new rules.
Manchester City were charged in February with more than 100 alleged breaches and that case remains ongoing.
New Premier League rules added to the handbook at the AGM last year mean that clubs now submit their accounts earlier in the season, on December 31 rather than March 31.

It was introduced so that any PSR breaches could be dealt with, charged and punished within the scope of the same season. All clubs submitted their PSR compliances last week and the Premier League is now considering those.
When contacted by Telegraph Sport, a Nottingham Forest spokesperson said: “The club has fully complied with its reporting obligations in respect of the Premier League’s revised profit and sustainability rules.
“Promotion to the Premier League will always create challenges, and the treatment of promotion bonuses is just one such example.
“The club approaches all such challenges with its long-term financial sustainability firmly in mind, as the Premier League rules intended.”
Wont be the last charge either, every transfer rumour im reading currently always has "But XXX club is struggling with FFP rules".
 
The Premier League brand is going to be ruined if this becomes an annual points deduction festival. It is an absolute farce that you can spectacularly break the rules/ cover things up like City and Chelsea, and the case drags on for years, whereas other clubs (like us) are charged and punished within months. It's a totally broken system.
I would say that’s a good thing, the sooner it’s no longer the PL and run properly the better.

It’s a farce at the minute and “their rules” that are there to “protect clubs” are dishing out points deduction that will for most clubs relegate them.
 
I would say that’s a good thing, the sooner it’s no longer the PL and run properly the better.

It’s a farce at the minute and “their rules” that are there to “protect clubs” are dishing out points deduction that will for most clubs relegate them.
The new rules will be even more crippling.
 


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