6 + 2 Point Deductions

[Walken]

surely not surely not.

He thinks we will be compliant

 

[ForeverEverton]

Didn`t someone say that the clubs found out today before public announcement tomorrow, surely going to be some leaks...

 

[MikeH72]

The statutory loss was higher in 2019/20, but the vast majority of the £80m we claimed for Covid, which we know wasn't considered for PSR, was from 2019/20, meaning the underlying loss was £34m less in 2019/20 than in 2020/21.

Obviously I don't know what the expenditure on other things that weren't relevant for PSR was in each year, but it is very likely that the use of the average still benefits Everton.

I find it very odd that the money we claimed back for Covid came from 2019/20, we only lost about 2 months worth of gates from that season due to covid whereas the entire 2020/21 season was played behind closed doors. This just makes no sense in my head.

 

[WestStandLower]

Going to be intresting day tomorrow
I think we will be alright we have got a lot of the big wages out of the way,
The problem is that if other clubs fall foul, rumours of forest, wolves ect , Chelsea are certs, you are going into a situation were the league will finish.
The clubs will go before the Premier league panel in May
And nobody will know who is what position in the league they are, or does it go to next season unlike us?
if say two clubs get pionts deducted and go down do they get relegated for that season ?
Before they can appeal.
they have hit us with an immediate penalty so have set a president.
Basically because of there actions with us the Premier league is in a position were they will effectively decide who is in the prem next year in a room instead of on the pitch.
Super Sunday would be interesting teams all playing winning and losing not knowing if it matters or not.
What a mess.

If the date were 14 Jan 24 them maybe you claim that Chelsea are going to be charged but up to 30/6/23 then I am far from sue that there is an certainty that we will be charged.

You simply can’t just look at the statutory accounts and come to any real conclusions . Let’s face it over the 3 years that Everton foul on the accounting losses were way above the £105 million.

In Chelsea’s 22/23 accounts some £93 million of the £140 ish million loss was deemed to be exceptional items. Some £76 million player impairment and £17 million by way of sums set aside in respect of historical legal matters. I have no idea of the justification of the sums impaired but will Chelsea be claiming those sums are COVID related or again exceptional due to the takeover ?

When you deduct things like Woman’s football, youth football depreciation and amortisation charges of players out on loan then that will bring the numbers down by a chunk

 

[WestStandLower]

They have already admitted there quilty to Fifa and paid a fine of twenty million to them.
Cannot see how they can admit guilt to one body then claim innocent to another.
If they do the game is truly corrupt.

FIFA have nothing to do with FFP.

The settlement of £8.75 million agreed with UEFA was in respect of sums not being reported correctly.

 

[MACCA75]

I actually have a lot of time for Martin Samuel but this isn’t one of his better articles.

The PL have little to no option but to abandon the current P&S model and adopt the new UEFA model which yes factors on wages to a % of income but wages are added to amortisation and agent costs when arriving at the squad costs which is the number that will be measured.

Samuels talks about nett transfer spend but as has been pointed out on here that number other than something that winds people up . Amortisation is a killer when it comes to getting a handle on the player trading numbers but and a big but lend a player out on loan and it impacts both the P&S and FFP amortisation number significantly.

Chelsea buying lots of mediocre players on 7 year contracts will end very badly.

 

[MikeH72]

Chelsea buying lots of mediocre players on 7 year contracts will end very badly.

Must be why nobody else in world football is following that same model.

 

[efcfanwirral]

Chelsea buying lots of mediocre players on 7 year contracts will end very badly.

When that 3 year average hits, along with no Champions League it'll be brilliant.

I think FFP, seems like a way to punish Chelsea and City, those "non traditional" successful clubs and leave the "traditional" ones (basically United and Liverpool) in a Barcelona/Real Madrid style monopoly. The big end goal surely being to allow them to sell their own TV rights

 

[hallamblue]

I find it very odd that the money we claimed back for Covid came from 2019/20, we only lost about 2 months worth of gates from that season due to covid whereas the entire 2020/21 season was played behind closed doors. This just makes no sense in my head.

Where's that Geordie bloke's sister when you need her?

 

[Neiler]

I actually have a lot of time for Martin Samuel but this isn’t one of his better articles.

The PL have little to no option but to abandon the current P&S model and adopt the new UEFA model which yes factors on wages to a % of income but wages are added to amortisation and agent costs when arriving at the squad costs which is the number that will be measured.

Samuels talks about nett transfer spend but as has been pointed out on here that number other than something that winds people up . Amortisation is a killer when it comes to getting a handle on the player trading numbers but and a big but lend a player out on loan and it impacts both the P&S and FFP amortisation number significantly.

The Uefa model allowance is a 70% ratio of transfer and wages to turnover would see us well over 100%, wot allowed losses over 3 years of 60 mill euro - we have turnover of 180 mill odd, wages of 160 odd mill a year and transfer fees of 60 odd mill a year.

Though i believe the threshold for the PL is going to be higher then 70%.

 

[Lapeno77]

Nothing from our dear friend Matt Hughes may suggest we're all good, PSR compliance wise.

Unless of course it's really bad and he's drowned in a torrent of his own bodily fluids

 

[MikeH72]

Where's that Geordie bloke's sister when you need her?

Masters clearly hasn’t let her out of the dungeon.

 

[ForeverEverton]

FIFA have nothing to do with FFP.

The settlement of £8.75 million agreed with UEFA was in respect of sums not being reported correctly.

Correct, the new Chelsea ownership came clean to the PL and UEFA when they discovered "holes" in their accounts. Paying Chelsea costs with external companies, let`s not beat about the bush, this is as serious FFP/PSR breach as you can get and it was done to specifically and very much intentionally to get around PSR.

UEFA let them off due lightly as they can`t go back beyond 3/5 years, can`t remember off the top of my head BUT still got fined. The PL can go back as far as they want but have yet to sanction or even charge the club with anything, unless this will come tomorrow when all the breaches are referred but I think they will get away with it. Swept under the carpet, they are part of the cartel....

 

[Tony’s Carp]

Today should feel like a massive game for us but when your team could be slid back up or even further down the league due to spreadsheets and the whims of men in suits it hardly feels like anything that happens on the pitch matters at all.

 

[JohnRoss23]

If we get hit with another points deduction I don't think I'll give a rats ass. The Premier League has become such a joke of a league it's not worth stressing over anymore.