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PhoenixIreland
Player Valuation: £950k
Usmanov is never getting back in mate. They'll never forgive and forget with Russia in our lifetimes.
I think Mosh is going to have to sell ASAP and wrap it up quickly because when we look dead certs for relegation, he isn't getting big money for us! New stadium or not.
I can see a sale going through fast when it happens.
I can see a sale going through fast when it happens.
Not sure profit is the right word. I think the words are "cash generating cow" rather than profit.
The person buying us will load that cost onto the club and with the huge revenues mainly generated by the tv contracts, use that to pay down that debt each year. Extract money each year in dividends/interest from monies loaned to the club. You then increase your revenues by sponsorships (stadium, kit sales) and this helps with heritage and winning trophies. Having a bigger stadium increases your gate receipts plus having a multi use stadium increases revenue available to the club outside of match days.
All of the above is the way the Glaziers have operated. Man Utd are a huge cash generator but they can service their debt. When was the last time they made a profit, yet their revenues seem to keep on going up.
You fall through the PL trap door and suddenly the money you had coming through the door drys up and you can't pay back the loan you used to initially buy the club. The debt is fine as long as you can service it.
I agree though, it will be 777 or something/someone similar of that ilk who can raise that initial cash to pay out Moshi (and his paymaster) and the other shareholders. Where that money comes from is the concern and how that is raised?
There is no Asian Consortium.
Rooney_Tunes
Player Valuation: £40m
He will be absolutely stuffed if we are relegated this season and that is the wildcard within your takeover scenario.
Marius57
Player Valuation: £60m
Only hand to hand combat though. None of them are able to shoot
Yes I know. read on. I go on to say.
You fall through the PL trap door and suddenly the money you had coming through the door drys up and you can't pay back the loan you used to initially buy the club. The debt is fine as long as you can service it.
The likely hood of Man utd being relegated are slim whereas we have been skirting with relegation for a few years now.
You a gambling man? It seems a lot of premier league owners are just that.
I agree with all of that. What's up with these investors? I know there have been protests but that's only because Bill & Mosh between them have done their best to turn a silk purse into a sow's ear. Notwithstanding the new stadium of course. A new investor would start with a clean slate as far as the fanbase goes.
As long as it's not 777
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Moshiri isn't selling because he wants to but rather because he has to.
I honestly don't believe Esk or any other commentator has access to the finer points of any deal that is being discussed.
I think it is more likely they are looking at what they believe Moshiri has spent and is trying to get some return on the investment.
siddharth
Player Valuation: £1.5m
I do think football has gone to [Poor language removed] generally and it can be said about a lot of sports, so at one point I just stopped following sports very passionately and focused only on a world small enough that the absolute nonsense outside it did not matter to me anymore. But I make every endeavour to be informed about them. To me, that world is Everton not football, but Everton.
I think there may be are others like me outside of the UK who think like this. Personally, I don't understand the whole reasoning behind the 'big teams' as some of them have essentially birthed themselves yesterday. We are arguably a very archaic institution, one that has forgotten what it was and also how it got there. We may never win anything for a considerable time yet but I will be satisfied if Everton can just find Everton. These other teams that seem to capture the current mainstream discourse about the game are essentially useful only for children who are squabbling over new toys and that's it, and I feel football has suffered for it. Of course, it does not mean that good football teams do not exist out there.
We are not entirely beyond hope, once again, I know people harp on about Brentford and Brighton today, but I am not very fond of such a style of club management. I understand why they do it, but I do not want such a thing for Everton. I believe that in our team, there has to a be a core that is essentially untouchable. It is not a matter of whether they are profitable assets or not, they are part of the infrastructure necessary for the functioning of Everton Football Club. Find something else to sell and that is why I felt bad when Richarlison was sold in recent years, why I felt bad that Osman or Baines were not given proper treatment by the club, and why I would feel bad if we ever sold Pickford.
In my opinion, the biggest problem that is facing Everton Football Club at the moment is a twist on the philosophical question posed by 'Ship of Theseus'. If we replace all the working components of an entity one by one then (stripped of value too) leaving faulty parts behind, then is the entity (rust heap) left at the end still the same entity?
Tony’s Carp
Player Valuation: £50m
Relegation is obviously a Very Bad Thing but if a new, competent owner came in, stabilised the cash flow and paid off this R&M loan we could at least be in a position to weather relegation a lot better than if it had happened either of the last two seasons - the wage bill is a lot more under control and will have a significant chunk taken out of it with a large batch of large contracts expiring in the summer. Leicester are probably broadly comparable in terms of wage bill when they got relegated and they seem to have taken it in their stride without a massive crisis unfolding.
Obviously still would be a terrible thing but with better / more stable ownership in place it needn't send us straight off a cliff like it would've done in recent seasons.
That is why we can be attractive as an investment.
You are not paying top dollar... very far from that yet a lot of the ingredients are already there for Everton to become a successful club.
They would all be welcomed back within six months if the war in Ukraine finished.
You are paying top dollar, for a club on its arse.
Nobody who has an interest in making money will buy us.
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