2022/23 Abdoulaye Doucouré

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Footballs not for you if you think them 3 wouldn’t offer more than doucoure next season playing behind the striker. I wouldn’t take them 3 either. But they’re all better footballers

And we’re that desperate we need to keep on 30yr old, getting paid a fortune. Who will run around a lot and be physical and may scramble in 6/7 goals, but will give the ball away cheaply more than that in one game. His terrible passes cost us v wolves, and v forest

I would rather keep Doucoure than let him go on a free, and instead sign either a permacrock, a lad who's got 0 goals and assists in 17 games for Forest, or a rat who looked utterly dreadful the last time he played in the Prem. And footballs not for me he says.

 

[Gilbert..]

Not really. We were hanging around the Champions League places for most of the season two years ago playing him. We dropped five on West Brom, and looked good doing it, starting Keane, Gomes and Doucoure.

A team can have a couple of weak links and compensate with tactics. It's when there are several weak links that there's no longer any covering that up. If Doucoure is one of the first names on the team sheet, we're in trouble. If he's one of the parts that gets swapped in and out to suit tactics and rotation needs, that's fine.

That was early on under ancelotti with rodriguez richarlison a fit allan and ancelotti getting the best out of calvert lewin. Even in that game and the brighton game you could see there were cracks about to appear.
I mean the fact you're going back nearly 3 years in a game played against 10 men for the whole 2nd half to justify him hardly sways in his favour.

 

[AsiaAsia82]

So this summer we should only buy players or attract players that will keep us 17th. Not sure Brighton and Brentford have had that Memo.

He’s a terrible footballer, yes he can run and is a big lad. Technically one of the worst midfielders I’ve seen at Everton in 20yrs And I’m not suggesting Frank Lampard is Better than dyche, because he’s not, but you can see why he dropped him, because Frank wants to play the modern way and try and keep possession a bit more, yes maybe he was trying to run before he could walk with our players, but that should be the long term goal. Not kick and rush 90’s football happy with 30% possession. Not many clubs who want to progress would have looked at doucoure.

The caveat to that is he’s done a half decent job and will be needed next season, because of the [Poor language removed] show at the club, but let’s not make out Doucoure was doing us a big favour by signing for Everton. I don’t remember many more prem teams being in for him when he was available for a poxy 20mil

This summer we buy someone?

With what money? Who’s going to come to a serial relegation threatened team?
I’m sure we could all name ideal buys for imaginary prices.

I’m not saying he’s the right player for us, but I don’t see where any money for anyone better is coming from unless we get bought out.
I think we need to face that reality instead of turning our pretentious noses up at managers and players who weren’t good enough for us, but are now many places higher up in the league.

 

[blueboy72]

This summer we buy someone?

With what money? Who’s going to come to a serial relegation threatened team?
I’m sure we could all name ideal buys for imaginary prices.

I’m not saying he’s the right player for us, but I don’t see where any money for anyone better is coming from unless we get bought out.
I think we need to face that reality instead of turning our pretentious noses up at managers and players who weren’t good enough for us, but are now many places higher up in the league.

We spent 70mil last summer, got Onana when West Ham wanted him and we’re in Europe. And Tarkowski, who villa wanted.

We will buy player's and spend some money, how much will depend on sales

 

[blueboy72]

I would rather keep Doucoure than let him go on a free, and instead sign either a permacrock, a lad who's got 0 goals and assists in 17 games for Forest, or a rat who looked utterly dreadful the last time he played in the Prem. And footballs not for me he says.

Lingard hardly played for forest and I don’t want him either. He got more goals in a 6month spell at West Ham than doucoure has in 3yrs for us.
Barkley last 2 seasons at Everton he got 40 goals and assists combined. Doucoure won’t have that in his 8 yrs in this country.

Just the thought of watching trampoline shins trying to play off the striker all
Next season will be depressing

 

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Do you know what the word 'advocate' means?

Yes

 

[Martin Alvito]

That was early on under ancelotti with rodriguez richarlison a fit allan and ancelotti getting the best out of calvert lewin. Even in that game and the brighton game you could see there were cracks about to appear.
I mean the fact you're going back nearly 3 years in a game played against 10 men for the whole 2nd half to justify him hardly sways in his favour.

I don't see how it's 'justifying' him. I'm saying we don't need to have a World XI to play well. We would need some of those players you mentioned to play well, but a side can carry a couple of substandard parts and do just fine if the manager knows how to compensate for those players' weaknesses.

Look, Gary Lineker is not walking through the door. Paying Doucoure's wages for a year is a sensible move in light of the alternatives and the financial position, and there's nothing wrong with having a small number of players like him in a starting rotation. When half the side is limited, bad things start happening.

 

[blueblue]

Prior to dyche coming he’d got 4 goals in 70 games. So I’m not sure you’d class him as a goal scoring midfielder. He’s now under dyche basically playing off the striker and as a split striker. Stands the reason he’s likely to get more goals. As playing in a midfield two he doesn’t get in the team imo.

And we should be looking for a lot better to the play then off the striker role. Oxlade chamberlain, Ross Barkley and Jessie lingard, while I’m no real fan of them all. But all 3 would over more than doucoure in the role he’s playing

You cannot be serious.
Could you have picked three worse examples.

All three are after far worse seasons than Doucoure and he only played after Lampard left.

 

[Gilbert..]

I don't see how it's 'justifying' him. I'm saying we don't need to have a World XI to play well. We would need some of those players you mentioned to play well, but a side can carry a couple of substandard parts and do just fine if the manager knows how to compensate for those players' weaknesses.

Look, Gary Lineker is not walking through the door. Paying Doucoure's wages for a year is a sensible move in light of the alternatives and the financial position, and there's nothing wrong with having a small number of players like him in a starting rotation. When half the side is limited, bad things start happening.

There are bog standard teams in this division paying possibly far less than doucoure is on doing a job in midfield. Lets stop going on like he's an important link that we need to hang on to because funds are limited. He's an inconsistent bang average player. You wouldnt even need to be a great scout to find a technically better player.

 

[Martin Alvito]

There are bog standard teams in this division paying possibly far less than doucoure is on doing a job in midfield. Lets stop going on like he's an important link that we need to hang on to because funds are limited. He's an inconsistent bang average player. You wouldnt even need to be a great scout to find a technically better player.

Tell you what. Build a time machine, go back five years, lock Moshiri up someplace and instruct Brands to make the kind of buys those teams make, rather than what we bought. We probably would have sorted enough wheat from the chaff by now that we could let Doucoure walk on a free.

We're not in that position. Those teams take time to build. We don't have it. We need goals, and we need them right now. Those don't come cheap. An actual rebuild comes later. We're in triage bleeding out from self-inflicted wounds. Right now, we need stitches. Then, we can talk about fixing how we got here.

 

[blueboy72]

You cannot be serious.
Could you have picked three worse examples.

All three are after far worse seasons than Doucoure and he only played after Lampard left.

The point was naming 3 free transfers with prem experience who can do a better job than doucoure. Doucoure has been terrible for the majority of his Everton career. He’s scored one good goal and 3 tap ins, still had some shockers under dyche and cost us goals and put us under pressure with his poor control and wayward passes. And some fans will have him down as player of the year.

He’s the perfect example of a poor players getting massively overhyped because he’s playing in a terrible side.

 

[Gilbert..]

Tell you what. Build a time machine, go back five years, lock Moshiri up someplace and instruct Brands to make the kind of buys those teams make, rather than what we bought. We probably would have sorted enough wheat from the chaff by now that we could let Doucoure walk on a free.

We're not in that position. Those teams take time to build. We don't have it. We need goals, and we need them right now. Those don't come cheap. An actual rebuild comes later. We're in triage bleeding out from self-inflicted wounds. Right now, we need stitches. Then, we can talk about fixing how we got here.

what bog standard? I'd have a guess we could still get them now and they would be as good. We might have to keep him for that reason alone, well we are. No might about it. But i look around at teams in this division and id take most of their players over him. Not even good teams. Has rare moments but in the main he's an eye sore on the ball. Im still of the opinion it wouldnt take much to get a better player. Even on a free.

 

[Martin Alvito]

what bog standard? I'd have a guess we could still get them now and they would be as good. We might have to keep him for that reason alone, well we are. No might about it. But i look around at teams in this division and id take most of their players over him. Not even good teams. Has rare moments but in the main he's an eye sore on the ball. Im still of the opinion it wouldnt take much to get a better player. Even on a free.

Why would they come here? We would still end up forking over a big wage packet to secure the move (especially on a free), and now we're locked into a multi-year deal. That's the opposite of what we need this summer. We just need to replace Rico's goals. We play good enough defense to stay up comfortably if we do that.

Once the larger chunk of dead wages comes off in 2024, we can start making those moves and build something. The revenue bump in 24-25 from the new house should also help with that.

 

[Gilbert..]

Why would they come here? We would still end up forking over a big wage packet to secure the move (especially on a free), and now we're locked into a multi-year deal. That's the opposite of what we need this summer. We just need to replace Rico's goals. We play good enough defense to stay up comfortably if we do that.

Once the larger chunk of dead wages comes off in 2024, we can start making those moves and build something. The revenue bump in 24-25 from the new house should also help with that.

You dont have to be pulling up trees to get a low cost player in. If you think they can play.
But it is what it is. We have another season of the ball bouncing off him and passes going astray.
Lets hope he turns up on sunday full of fire and aggressive in his play. I will give him that.

 

[blueblue]

The point was naming 3 free transfers with prem experience who can do a better job than doucoure. Doucoure has been terrible for the majority of his Everton career. He’s scored one good goal and 3 tap ins, still had some shockers under dyche and cost us goals and put us under pressure with his poor control and wayward passes. And some fans will have him down as player of the year.

He’s the perfect example of a poor players getting massively overhyped because he’s playing in a terrible side.

I just don't agree they would do a better job than Doucoure, Chamberlain is never Fit , Lingaard can't get into the Forest team and is on a huge wage and the former Evertonian could not even get a team in England.