2022/23 Abdoulaye Doucouré

[ToffeeTim]

Yeah, that was pretty bad. But I was thinking about it, who in our team would you be confident in that they would score from that position? Maybe Gray would be evens, but anyone else? We're so bad on the ball, it's painful.

He should have at least had a go. You aren't going to score if you don't shoot.

Anything could have happened if he had just smashed it, it could have deflected in, could have went through the goalkeeper. Even a save behind for a corner would have been much better at that late stage of the game than falling over the ball and letting them clear

 

[ToffeeTim]

Activate his extension now.

Absolutely not based on a couple of games. He needs to continue this form for far longer.

Handing out contracts based on a handful of games is not smart.

 

[Nymzee]

Absolutely not based on a couple of games. He needs to continue this form for far longer.

Handing out contracts based on a handful of games is not smart.

Especially since he was woeful on Monday.

 

[Lanolin]

He should have at least had a go. You aren't going to score if you don't shoot.

Anything could have happened if he had just smashed it, it could have deflected in, could have went through the goalkeeper. Even a save behind for a corner would have been much better at that late stage of the game than falling over the ball and letting them clear

This is something the team in general really seems to struggle with. The clear lack of quality is one thing, but their decision making and footballing common sense is sorely lacking at times. Too often they allow themselves to lose the ball in open play when literally any other outcome would be preferable.

 

[barneygumble]

Doesn’t really make it an overreaction then does it lol

I think so.

Honestly, respect Doucoure for actually not hiding it, and coming out and effectively saying he didn’t like Lampard. His attitude stinks, but at not hiding, when in a relegation fight, is actually the hunger we need.

Whilst neither are good, I’d rather have some transparency rather than hiding behind some “fake” media blurt set out by the club.

 

[Nymzee]

I think so.

Honestly, respect Doucoure for actually not hiding it, and coming out and effectively saying he didn’t like Lampard. His attitude stinks, but at not hiding, when in a relegation fight, is actually the hunger we need.

Whilst neither are good, I’d rather have some transparency rather than hiding behind some “fake” media blurt set out by the club.

But he hasn’t effectively said anything? He’s liked a post on social media which you actively have to go looking for to find. It’s the snakiest behaviour going. If he had an issue then be public with it like you want him to.

 

[barneygumble]

But he hasn’t effectively said anything? He’s liked a post on social media which you actively have to go looking for to find. It’s the snakiest behaviour going. If he had an issue then be public with it like you want him to.

Well there was clearly division.

There was widely reported claims that Doucoure, Gana and a couple of others clashed with Lampard after a game.

For any other manager, I’m fuming with the players, in all honesty, but Lampard just felt lost, and clearly they cared about us doing better.

So will disagree, I think it’s an overreaction to something we all agreed with. Not a big fan, but hopefully he keeps consistency until end of the season and helps get us out this mess.

Feels people just want to be unhappy at something, all the time.

 

[Nymzee]

Well there was clearly division.

There was widely reported claims that Doucoure, Gana and a couple of others clashed with Lampard after a game.

For any other manager, I’m fuming with the players, in all honesty, but Lampard just felt lost, and clearly they cared about us doing better.

So will disagree, I think it’s an overreaction to something we all agreed with. Not a big fan, but hopefully he keeps consistency until end of the season and helps get us out this mess.

Feels people just want to be unhappy at something, all the time.

I just don’t want a snakey poisonous personalities in the squad myself. On top of the fact he’s garbage.

 

[NathDogg]

Where’s the narrative come from that he downed tools for Lampard? Is it the clip of him sat on a ball at HT?

He wasn’t playing at all with Frank, you can’t down tools if you’re not playing. It’s like saying Michael Keane or Vinagre have downed tools under Lampard and Dyche.

Quite a few downed tools for lampard, they have all done it before and they will do it again to this manager.

They’re on massive wages and have often played like they cba, and doucure has often been one of them.

Lampard made mistakes for certain, tactically and with his relationship with the players, but I can’t keep giving free passes to this squad.

I just hope Dyche can keep getting a bit more of a tune out of them before they inevitably pack in for him, and I hope he gets supported in gutting the squad.

No extensions, no new contracts until our future is clear and we’re safe.

 

[Walken]

This is something the team in general really seems to struggle with. The clear lack of quality is one thing, but their decision making and footballing common sense is sorely lacking at times. Too often they allow themselves to lose the ball in open play when literally any other outcome would be preferable.

I think grey and mcneil are the only clean strikers of the ball in the squad, apparently Garner aswell

 

[Billy Dean]

That's fair enough, he was scoring a few goals and getting involved until he got injured, was a decent spell for him

IIRC around that time he was playing higher up with more licence to get on the end of things in the box

 

[MikeH72]

Thought he was alright when we first signed him. Did ok when used by Carlo, then was totally unused by FSW and Lampard.

I'd give him a contract extension based on the fact we haven't got any money to replace him, it's all well and good to let players leave if we can get a replacement in, however, when we can't then it leaves us even shorter in the squad depth. Plus, Dyche seems to like him.

We’ll continue to have no money long into the future if we keep extending the huge, huge contracts of ageing deadwood players.

 

[riddick]

I still don't get how you can be one on one with the keeper and not even get a shot off.

 

[catcherintherye]

This is something the team in general really seems to struggle with. The clear lack of quality is one thing, but their decision making and footballing common sense is sorely lacking at times. Too often they allow themselves to lose the ball in open play when literally any other outcome would be preferable.

I actually think this had got a lot better under Dyche. I really liked when he said (words to the affect of) he isnt going to have a go at them for having a shot. To me it was another example of level headed, clear thinking, realistic advise hes giving.

We are not good enough to make lots of good chances, so in all honesty "recycling" the ball for us doesnt lead to us creating a better chance. Its leads to us creating 0 chance and sometimes being countered.

I really liked the fact McNeil had that cross shot which was close to going in, and even Mykolenko had a go. It's sort of weight of averaged stuff, but if you get 10 shots, 1 may go in, which is sort of what happened.

Theres no way Coleman takes that shot on under Lampard. He was sending his teams out with the message of dont lose the ball easily. When you then keep losing the ball, it becomes confusing and demoralising.

The whole sequence was good as well, Doucoure good interception, good forward pass to Maupay, good hold up play from him, good run from Coleman and a sensible ball from Iwobi. Very few compartments of that would have been done under Lampard.

It's a lot smarter play, and it's sort of smarter play in a way I think top players like Lampard will probably never really understand. He was an exceptional player, in exceptional teams, where it wouldnt make sense to cede possession. But that's not how you go from being an awful side to an average one.

 

[Neiler]

Absolutely not based on a couple of games. He needs to continue this form for far longer.

Handing out contracts based on a handful of games is not smart.

Nah.