Accepting what we've become

[Villa_Fan]

Oh really... only 8 clubs in 2022 had reported income above 200 mil and two of them were Leicester and West Ham. There's a whole host of clubs in the 150m to 180m and that is because of TV money. Most clubs don't have the income streams of MUFC, Chelsea, Spurs, MCFC. Even Arsenal are 250m short of MCFC although they are trying to make a decent fist of competing.

Most clubs like Villa and Everton are much the same with a hard core fan base but very few significant income streams other than TV money and ticket sales.

The money is huge compared to the Championship, I'll give you that, but reality is that there is a huge disparity between the top 4 or 5 in the Prem and the rest.

Yes, really. so 8 clubs, 40% of the clubs have incomes over 200m and that is on the current Sky deal. That is due to rise significantly next year as the new deal has 50% more revenue which is passed on to clubs. Other income streams are rising dramatically for all clubs, particularly sponsorship. Didn't Everton have a 30m a year deal for an option on stadium naming rights, just it happened to be with the wrong person. Everton's current value is 600m and that is without the new stadium and probably with Everton at their lowest point in a very long time.

 

[Cool_Blue]

Can't be any worse than Maupay ffs

Even now, fat and unfit, he wouldn’t be. Knew where the net was did Lee.

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

You should be ashamed of yourself
An inspirational motto is something to aim for
If you don’t aspire you die

It's a football club not a life motto ffs. Ashamed of myself

 

[jonnyboy316]

Yes, really. so 8 clubs, 40% of the clubs have incomes over 200m and that is on the current Sky deal. That is due to rise significantly next year as the new deal has 50% more revenue which is passed on to clubs. Other income streams are rising dramatically for all clubs, particularly sponsorship. Didn't Everton have a 30m a year deal for an option on stadium naming rights, just it happened to be with the wrong person. Everton's current value is 600m and that is without the new stadium and probably with Everton at their lowest point in a very long time.

We are all looking forward to the new stadium but the reality is the funding shortfall will be made up in part by external debt (at least a couple of hundred million) at a time where interest rates are not favourable to put it mildly. This debt will be factored into any selling price and will cancel out much of the increased revenues for a couple of decades

Per are prior exchange on Moshiri he has invested north of £800m to date so with the debts the club would need to sell at well over a billion for him to just break even

 

[HowardsWay]

Yes, really. so 8 clubs, 40% of the clubs have incomes over 200m and that is on the current Sky deal. That is due to rise significantly next year as the new deal has 50% more revenue which is passed on to clubs. Other income streams are rising dramatically for all clubs, particularly sponsorship. Didn't Everton have a 30m a year deal for an option on stadium naming rights, just it happened to be with the wrong person. Everton's current value is 600m and that is without the new stadium and probably with Everton at their lowest point in a very long time.

One of them got relegated so makes that 7. That leaves 13 other clubs not making your 200M per year including your load of crap. You seem to think money grows on trees in the Prem yet the evidence is there that it doesn't. It's dead easy to spend spend spend when you come up from the Champ but once you've become established in the Prem, then FFP becomes a real issue. Your 200M for clubs like ours is not as achievable as you want to believe. The facts bear it out.

As regards 30M a year... it remains to be seen but I live in today's world and the reality as we go into the new season.

 

[rochdaleblue]

I am in my 50s and I am at my lowest point regarding our club. The new dawn of Moshiri taking over and his refusal to get rid of the existing board and appoint proper footballing men in their place has resulted in this once great club in annual relegation battles.
The stadium is the only positive thing on the horizon, but it will be so Everton if our first games played in it, are in the championship, even the excitement of a new stadium has been diminished by our performances on it. Our only hope moving forward is that Dyche manages to keep us up and Moshiri sells up and the new ownership can return the club to challenge for Europe once again.

 

[Weebarra]

I was reading the transfer thread this morning and one thing strikes me every single time I venture in there is the level of delusion as to our current standing and what we can expect as a club.

The number of times we turn our noses up at potential signings because they supposedly aren't good enough for us, people speculating about why we haven't gone for this player or that player, when realistically they're way out of our reach.

We are a club that for the next few years will be threatened with relegation and it doesn't matter how much you bang on about our history it doesn't make us an attractive proposition in the present. If you accept where we currently are and the grind that it's going to be over the next few years to get out of it then you'll feel much better, don't have an aneurysm when Antonio or Adams get mentioned, they're currently our level both ability wise and financially.

Calm down, accept our current situation and lower your expectations and things won't seem quite so bleak.

 

[Villa_Fan]

One of them got relegated so makes that 7. That leaves 13 other clubs not making your 200M per year including your load of crap. You seem to think money grows on trees in the Prem yet the evidence is there that it doesn't. It's dead easy to spend spend spend when you come up from the Champ but once you've become established in the Prem, then FFP becomes a real issue. Your 200M for clubs like ours is not as achievable as you want to believe. The facts bear it out.

As regards 30M a year... it remains to be seen but I live in today's world and the reality as we go into the new season.

You just lost all credibility with your argument. No point in debating with someone that lets bias and hyperbole influence their thought process.

 

[Villa_Fan]

We are all looking forward to the new stadium but the reality is the funding shortfall will be made up in part by external debt (at least a couple of hundred million) at a time where interest rates are not favourable to put it mildly. This debt will be factored into any selling price and will cancel out much of the increased revenues for a couple of decades

Per are prior exchange on Moshiri he has invested north of £800m to date so with the debts the club would need to sell at well over a billion for him to just break even

Yeah, I agree with that but the same argument can be made that Moshiri didn't put in the 800m from his money, a lot came from Usmanov so the requirement to break even would be lower. Regardless of that, it is not that much of a stretch of the imagination to see Everton worth north of 1 Bn. The last few years have been crap but Everton is a huge club in the biggest league in the world.

 

[Weebarra]

Been the same level for years, I’d accepted years ago that we weren’t a massive club anymore, years of winning nothing doesn’t make you one of the big clubs just like history doesn’t, a brand new stadium won’t either. We’re in transition from being a comfortable premier league team to fighting relegation and our main focus is beating the drop I’ve seen people mention 8th-13th place finishes think we would be very very lucky to get 13th/14th, a top half finish we have next to no chance of more chance we’re relegated.

It is what it is, but as Evertonians, subconsciously we adapt, improvise and overcome the daily battles of life, and of course supporting Everton.

I’m optimistic for this season, in view I believe that in Dyche we have a leader, and he will need the support of the board to get some players in before this window shuts.

But hope and faith in abundance Evertonians have.

“Whats Our Name?”
UTFTs!

 

[Yarrgh]

Nil satis nisi optimum.

I do not accept this situation we're in. Get that rat Kenwright out and attach a car battery to Moshiri that jolts him anytime he wants to interfere with footballing matters and it will change.

It won't happen overnight but we shall wake up from our slumber and live up to our motto.

 

[Davideeyore]

I saw the the thread It wasn't quite what I expected, more about transfer window than 'accepting what we've become'.

On that subject I think we have to have accept the reality of where we are as a club and to be honest most of us understand and we're exceptionally patient.
We know we're not the most appealing never mind not having won a trophy for 3 decades the last 2 years woah, just woah. But we don't have to accept
where we are and what we've become that's why fans march and protest against the board. I'm sure change is coming, but it's slow off the pitch and just
as slow on it. There's no need to be defeatist in accepting our predicament. I know it's a very big leap but look what happened to Leicester in 2015 and on
to 2016. Look at West Ham last year (winning the EC).

The culture of mediocrity is a stench running through the club that acceptance of failure is on Kenwright's watch.

 

[Swartzy]

Accepting What we've Become !!

Sorry but I just can't do that ! As bad as things have been and will still possibly get, I have to have faith we will find our path once again.
It's going to be a long and painful journey. But I have to have faith we will gradually get back on the right direction.

Am I expecting miracles, no, I ain't stupid !

I think the thread piece should be changed to: 'Accepting What Football Has Become !!

Now there's no way back from that...

 

[Rita_Poon]

Look how a couple of competent signings and better organisation allowed Villa and Newcastle to climb up the league in the second half of the last 2 seasons.
I’m not saying we could do it also because we’ve barely got two pennies to rub together and a car crash of a squad, but we need to somehow claw our way through this season and try and be safe sooner and give us some optimism that things are actually starting improve.
Not asking for much am I?!

Agreed, we're praying on a Rooney type talent emerging and being whisked off our hands for a packet of quavers and a stolen pen from the post office.

We'll be back on an even keel then.

 

[RomanReigns]

i loved how in the recent revenue statement they kept mentioning how we were trying to get the best deals outside of the top 7 clubs

there is no ambition

just want to try and be the best of the rest never part of the elite

we are the jobbers of the prem league