Ademola Lookman

[TheBigIguana]

I think there's a fair bit of revisionism here mate,

Lookman essentially left the club when he sent off by Allardyce. That was a mistake and Leipzig was a far better move for hom. I wrote this at the time, I understood his perspective and backed him up.

Where he went wrong, was he came back to Everton with the same attitude that he left- that we were being run by Allardyce and would not give younger players a chance. It was a mistake. Brands wanted to have him centralm in the squad, and so did Silva. In that pre-season he started games, and was on course to be 1st choice. Along wth DCL/Richarlinson they would have been the front line. Unfortunately, he didn't really want that, and he became a little pig headed and still wanted to leave.

As pre-season dragged on he lost his place to Walcott. Bernard then arrived.

In fairness to Bernard, it would also be unfair to describe him as "doing nothing" particularly in that 1st season. Bernard was good in a lot of games.

I agree with the idea young players want to play. Under Silva we had the youngest squad in the league playing games. Lookman wanted to leave, he didn't want to play. Kean wanted to play, but we couldn't drop another young striker who was just much better. In Kean's case it was unfortunate.

I do think we have to have some perspective, and we can't just fit events to suit a narrative. The Lookman situation was dissapointing, but it happens. The club made about 2.5 X what we paid for him for a lad that wanted away. We should have sold him the 1st summer Brands came for even more money than we did a year later.

Disagree there. We honeymooned with him hard. Everyone liked him and they overlooked that he wasn't very good at a lot of stuff and instead chose to go all googly eyed over his first touch and his making us tick (whatever that means).

And it isn't really important who he lost his place to originally as much as who got the minutes. Walcott got a lot too but unlike Bernard there is actually a case for having him play over Lookman. My whole point was if we actually involved him in the team he'd still be here. Choosing not to for a player who is honestly hardly at a PL level is a grievous mistake.

Think about the downhill effects of it. We had to sign Iwobi, who I like, but who is also not as good as Lookman, cost extra money and is probably on higher wages. We've spent an entire season underachieving because we had limited creativity in the squad as well. The depth in our squad is still not recovered from letting possible options like Vlasic and Lookman go. Maybe they'd have never stayed but what bothers me is we never even tried.

And your last point is right and what I was saying to start. We should have either sold him right away or actually made him a part of the team. We told him we were doing the latter to stop the former and it was all untrue. It cost us money and the player.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Why are we pining over a nothing player?

The lad has some talent, he is also fairly ineffectual for large parts, he is in the Deulofeu bracket for me, sometimes tremendous but also plays at the likes of Fulham or Watford for a reason.

Anyway I reckon Vlasic was a bigger waste/loss than Lookman.

I look at them the same it is just that Lookman is more visible.

 

[Papa Shango]

I look at them the same it is just that Lookman is more visible.

I suppose Vlasic's next move will tell us more.

 

[MikeH72]

What a mistake it was to sell a little helmet who had no interest in breaking a sweat in an Everton shirt.

 

[Billy Dean]

In his last season with us he had a few decent cameos off the bench where to be quite honest he looked better than most of our wide options. Silva obviously had something against him. I think he said he was a bad trainer or something. Still Walcott was stinking the gaff out on a weekly basis at the time.

 

[Leylo]

I suppose Vlasic's next move will tell us more.

Got agree, never got a look in especially being a young lad at the time, some of the deadwood we keep and this lad gets bombed out ,strange decision

 

[Efcjake]

Oh Lookman did something so now we have to listen about how we ruined that lad's career at Everton.

 

[catcherintherye]

Disagree there. We honeymooned with him hard. Everyone liked him and they overlooked that he wasn't very good at a lot of stuff and instead chose to go all googly eyed over his first touch and his making us tick (whatever that means).

And it isn't really important who he lost his place to originally as much as who got the minutes. Walcott got a lot too but unlike Bernard there is actually a case for having him play over Lookman. My whole point was if we actually involved him in the team he'd still be here. Choosing not to for a player who is honestly hardly at a PL level is a grievous mistake.

Think about the downhill effects of it. We had to sign Iwobi, who I like, but who is also not as good as Lookman, cost extra money and is probably on higher wages. We've spent an entire season underachieving because we had limited creativity in the squad as well. The depth in our squad is still not recovered from letting possible options like Vlasic and Lookman go. Maybe they'd have never stayed but what bothers me is we never even tried.

And your last point is right and what I was saying to start. We should have either sold him right away or actually made him a part of the team. We told him we were doing the latter to stop the former and it was all untrue. It cost us money and the player.

Lookman has wonderful natural ability, and with Parker is starting toput it together. The game at Anfield in the league, he came on, completely unfazed and started taking people on.

He's better than Iwobi on natural talent, but there's a case Iwobi would start over him as a more effective and rounded footballer. Interesting debate either way. We probably got Iwobi for 5m or so more than we sold Lookman for, which is looking a decent deal to me.

 

[DanB90]

Oh Lookman did something so now we have to listen about how we ruined that lad's career at Everton.

Of course none of this blame is to fall at the feet of the player.

It’s all Everton’s fault who paid a good fee for a young lad from the lower leagues and then froze him out without any good reason.

 

[Efcjake]

Of course none of this blame is to fall at the feet of the player.

It’s all Everton’s fault who paid a good fee for a young lad from the lower leagues and then froze him out without any good reason.

Let's be honest, he's basically just another Ryan Fraser.

23 years old now and doesn't look like he's going to be the amazing player some believe.

One cross ain't going to change the direction his career is going.

 

[moyeslovechild]

I hope the people who don't think he's anything special think the same of Saint Maximin and Traore. I know it's early days for this season but he can beat a man as easily as them but looks to have more end product (something he can still improve for sure)

I'm not saying he is anything special but in terms of taking people on he's doing as much as them, and they are two players who flatter to deceive when it comes to the old goals and assists

 

[Saint Domingo]

Is this Lookman who sometimes doesn’t start for a team battling relegation? So Scott Parker actually thinks he has better options than him but we messed up getting a profit on him? Ok.

 

[Goat]

Is this Lookman who sometimes doesn’t start for a team battling relegation? So Scott Parker actually thinks he has better options than him but we messed up getting a profit on him? Ok.

Kissing pine for 1 of the worst teams in the league, but sure, we missed out here.

His talent is not up for debate, very talented boy, but manager after manager doesn't pick him and then sells him, 5 or 6 of them now, in 3 years.

 

[Efcjake]

I hope the people who don't think he's anything special think the same of Saint Maximin and Traore. I know it's early days for this season but he can beat a man as easily as them but looks to have more end product (something he can still improve for sure)

I'm not saying he is anything special but in terms of taking people on he's doing as much as them, and they are two players who flatter to deceive when it comes to the old goals and assists

I do.

 

[Goat]

I do.

Both utterly horrific players.