2017/18 Ademola Lookman

[Zatara]

How is that? Both are small players, but i dont see the comparison beyond that. Pienaar was able to protect the ball in spite of his size, Lookman looses it if you look at him crooked. Pienaar also had great vision and a much better pass than Lookman. Ade is still young, but if he is to improve he needs to play, and bar a few good runs and a goal against a City side which had already leaked 3, he’s showed nothing to imply he’s good enough to start any games for us. He’s a big liability in an already leaky team, playing him would be madness. I understand why people want us to buy and evolve young players, but using someone soley based on potential is just not a good move for us as a club. A loan move to the championships would be a lot better for him and us.

I hear ya, but its not fair to blame just Martina. Lookman doesnt do nearly enough to help him out when defending, which is a pretty big part of any PL-wingers job - specially in a struggeling team like ours.

He only improves and learns with games.


How Is Allardyce saying Sandro and Klaassen wont get more than 2 or 3 chances when Bolasie (and schneiderlin etc) have had more and also been dire?

Bolasie has been worse than lookman since allardyce took over and yet starts each game.

Bolasie and Walcott don't aid their full backs...so then what?

 

[blueblue]

Simply no reason why Bolasie has waltzed straight back in the team ahead of Lookman and Vlasic he should have to earn back his place

Yes there is a reason. Lookman is learning the game and has still lots of rough edges and inadequacies in his game. His positioning is suspect, his defending is weak and he loses the ball too easily in dangerous areas of the pitch.
He is not being loaned out because that is not what is needed, he is already involved in competitive football at a high level.

Lookman and Vlasic are at Finch Farm with the first team and their coaches learning what is expected of them. They are professionals playing in a hihghly organised game, not youngsters having a kick around in a town park or a school yard.

Footballers were described to me once as chess pieces and each piece will have a very clearly defined role. If a piece is not carrying out it's role properly that affects everbody else on the football chess board. I think Lookman and Vlasic are currently in a learning mode.
Young players like Kenny, Davies and Baningime have been tutored from their earliest days by coaches at an elite level.

 

[Zatara]

Yes there is a reason. Lookman is learning the game and has still lots of rough edges and inadequacies in his game. His positioning is suspect, his defending is weak and he loses the ball too easily in dangerous areas of the pitch.
He is not being loaned out because that is not what is needed, he is already involved in competitive football at a high level.

Lookman and Vlasic are at Finch Farm with the first team and their coaches learning what is expected of them. They are professionals playing in a hihghly organised game, not youngsters having a kick around in a town park or a school yard.

Footballers were described to me once as chess pieces and each piece will have a very clearly defined role. If a piece is not carrying out it's role properly that affects everbody else on the football chess board. I think Lookman and Vlasic are currently in a learning mode.
Young players like Kenny, Davies and Baningime have been tutored from their earliest days by coaches at an elite level.

How does any of your post explain the relevant point posed by @Rollo Tomassi ?

Lookman and Vlasic play and look decent.

Bolasie plays and is dreadful...

Bolasie starts next game...

 

[mightymoyes]

Yes there is a reason. Lookman is learning the game and has still lots of rough edges and inadequacies in his game. His positioning is suspect, his defending is weak and he loses the ball too easily in dangerous areas of the pitch.
He is not being loaned out because that is not what is needed, he is already involved in competitive football at a high level.

Lookman and Vlasic are at Finch Farm with the first team and their coaches learning what is expected of them. They are professionals playing in a hihghly organised game, not youngsters having a kick around in a town park or a school yard.

Footballers were described to me once as chess pieces and each piece will have a very clearly defined role. If a piece is not carrying out it's role properly that affects everbody else on the football chess board. I think Lookman and Vlasic are currently in a learning mode.
Young players like Kenny, Davies and Baningime have been tutored from their earliest days by coaches at an elite level.

you talking about lookman or bolasie there?!

 

[Nyhus]

He only improves and learns with games.

Exactly, thats why I hope we loan him to good championship team for a season and a half.

 

[blueblue]

How does any of your post explain the relevant point posed by @Rollo Tomassi ?

Lookman and Vlasic play and look decent.

Bolasie plays and is dreadful...

Bolasie starts next game...

That is your opinion but then you believe any footballer over the age of 24 is a has been. Bolasie is playing his way back to fitness and need to be given time. The manager said it could take up to ten games before he is close to being at his best.
The young players simply have not done enough to show they should be starting.
They have started some games, done alright but nothing exceptional.
They have generally been more effective when coming off the bench.

Lookman and Vlasic have potential but in the games they have played they have been inconsistent and been poor regarding the defensive side of their duties.
It goes back to what I said above.

 

[brigadier]

show the lad some faith, we need players who can go past defenders, sig does not have the pace same with rooney.

 

[Zatara]

Exactly, thats why I hope we loan him to good championship team for a season and a half.

Why not start him ahead of Bolasie?

Personally, i'd be rotating the kids in/out of our team to get premier league experience.

If that's not the plan then Vlasic and Lookman should go on loans till summer for sure.

 

[Zatara]

That is your opinion but then you believe any footballer over the age of 24 is a has been. Bolasie is playing his way back to fitness and need to be given time. The manager said it could take up to ten games before he is close to being at his best.
The young players simply have not done enough to show they should be starting.
They have started some games, done alright but nothing exceptional.
They have generally been more effective when coming off the bench.

Lookman and Vlasic have potential but in the games they have played they have been inconsistent and been poor regarding the defensive side of their duties.
It goes back to what I said above.

The part of your post ive bolded is stupid.

You seem to think Bolasie should get games to get to his best (which has always statistically and visually been rubbish) how does he deserve games?

2 players can improve with games and have done well in cameos...1 player is useless but gets games as hes had an injury?

That's bizarre.

 

[carolinablue232]

That is your opinion but then you believe any footballer over the age of 24 is a has been. Bolasie is playing his way back to fitness and need to be given time. The manager said it could take up to ten games before he is close to being at his best.
The young players simply have not done enough to show they should be starting.
They have started some games, done alright but nothing exceptional.
They have generally been more effective when coming off the bench.

Lookman and Vlasic have potential but in the games they have played they have been inconsistent and been poor regarding the defensive side of their duties.
It goes back to what I said above.

Disagree. Lookman put in a shift on both sides the last few times he's played, especially in the cup at Anfield. Also, what defending has Yannick been doing? Kenny was tortured by Son against Spurs with no support from Bolasie. Based on performances, Lookman should start ahead of Bolasie. That's to say nothing of the fact that by Playing Lookman's ceiling can go much much higher.

 

[Nyhus]

Why not start him ahead of Bolasie?

Personally, i'd be rotating the kids in/out of our team to get premier league experience.

If that's not the plan then Vlasic and Lookman should go on loans till summer for sure.

Because Boa is a better player in most areas? I get why some dont like him, but he brings more to the side than Lookman. More strenght, more speed, more experience and less egotistical decision making(usually).

Vlasic is another matter, I think he looks more complete than Lookman and would have less of an issue if he started more games for us.

Edit:
Lookman shouldnt start before Boa based on performances, but I could see an argument for Lennon.

 

[marsh]

Should of been given a run of starts to see how he does, its not like the wingers we have, have been superb is it

 

[kithnou]

That we had 4 shots at goal is a damning stat. Imagine if one of them had gone in...how damaging to the 0-0 script might that be?

Only Everton could play for that and still concede 4.

 

[kithnou]

I have to say, that is quite terrifying

All is going to be great though, we will rectify this attacking style apparently and start playing more defensive again

 

[Khalekan]

Yes there is a reason. Lookman is learning the game and has still lots of rough edges and inadequacies in his game. His positioning is suspect, his defending is weak and he loses the ball too easily in dangerous areas of the pitch.
He is not being loaned out because that is not what is needed, he is already involved in competitive football at a high level.

Lookman and Vlasic are at Finch Farm with the first team and their coaches learning what is expected of them. They are professionals playing in a hihghly organised game, not youngsters having a kick around in a town park or a school yard.

Footballers were described to me once as chess pieces and each piece will have a very clearly defined role. If a piece is not carrying out it's role properly that affects everbody else on the football chess board. I think Lookman and Vlasic are currently in a learning mode.
Young players like Kenny, Davies and Baningime have been tutored from their earliest days by coaches at an elite level.

Indeed.

But you could just as easily be talking about Bolasie and he does not have the mitigating factor of being a young player starting out in the EPL.