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I lived in Hull during my formative years, drank a hell of a lot, had a local where an 11-to-11 session wasn't uncommon. Drank mostly lager...got into the odd scrap, sometimes got mild shakes in the morning which went away with a swig of cheap whiskey, or a can...all that stuff. All my mates drank too, obviously. Moved to London at 19 and still drank probably 4 cans of lager a day, on me tod, just out of habit (and that familiar warm feeling)...quite a few in pub nights out too. But soon discovered other cultures that weren't about the drink which cut down the consumption a bit. Was still a deffo regular drinker during my London time, tho'.

Moved back to the motherland (Germany) at 27 and since then drinking's all been about the enjoyment....like a good meal. I'll typically just have one high-quality beer in any one full day, or often none at all. Similar with whisky, a single generous glass of Laphroaig once every few weeks. Maybe sharing a decent bottle of wine once every few months. Rarely go out to drink anymore. Also gave up smoking da green stuff after leaving England, but I guess that's another thread. Not that this connoisseur-era has done much good for my health, if anything I'm more susceptible to feeling like shyte than I used to be.


I get visits from friends/family from Hull sometimes, and all they wanna do is get drunk while browsing different bars: binge-drinking, lots of shouting, abusing randoms on the street. My insistence that life here isn't like it is in Hull often falls on "you what, daft lad?" deaf ears lol To be fair we've had some quite riotous nights out, I do miss the hedonistic energy of party in dear ol' blighty...sometimes. I always miss the humour! My sister getting my very non-British girlfriend to chant "we all 'ate Leeds! we all 'ate Leeds!" in some Berlin irish pub was pretty special :pint2:


My theory is that Britain, due to its restrictive licensing laws, actively encourages a binge-drink culture, which stimulates violent urges and health scares, but also interesting things like pure hedonism, cutting wit and probably has a fair influence on the consistently great and highly-original culture coming out of Britain...much British music, tv/film and writing is enjoyed internationally.

But yeah, pubs have to throw everyone out at 11pm so most down 3 pints in like 20 minutes, as their thought-processes are roughly "must drink as much beer as possible before closing time", then they all leave at the same time, masses of drunks high on alcohol wanting to be all King Kong and show the bloke who's staring at them who's boss. Cue the fights. Women aren't immune from this, either!

That, and also that in many northern cities the development of 'alternative' culture is frowned upon. If it's a night out and doesn't involve alcohol (or stimulant drugs), then what the bluddy 'ell you doing, mate? That'll be the social pressure part, along with the classic "don't be a fanny, have another one!". This may seem to contradict how so much great culture comes out of a binge-drinking nation, but I guess the creators of such culture aren't participants themselves, more like active observers.


soz abar the ramble on post like.
 
I lived in Hull during my formative years, drank a hell of a lot, had a local where an 11-to-11 session wasn't uncommon. Drank mostly lager...got into the odd scrap, sometimes got mild shakes in the morning which went away with a swig of cheap whiskey, or a can...all that stuff. All my mates drank too, obviously. Moved to London at 19 and still drank probably 4 cans of lager a day, on me tod, just out of habit (and that familiar warm feeling)...quite a few in pub nights out too. But soon discovered other cultures that weren't about the drink which cut down the consumption a bit. Was still a deffo regular drinker during my London time, tho'.

Moved back to the motherland (Germany) at 27 and since then drinking's all been about the enjoyment....like a good meal. I'll typically just have one high-quality beer in any one full day, or often none at all. Similar with whisky, a single generous glass of Laphroaig once every few weeks. Maybe sharing a decent bottle of wine once every few months. Rarely go out to drink anymore. Also gave up smoking da green stuff after leaving England, but I guess that's another thread. Not that this connoisseur-era has done much good for my health, if anything I'm more susceptible to feeling like shyte than I used to be.


I get visits from friends/family from Hull sometimes, and all they wanna do is get drunk while browsing different bars: binge-drinking, lots of shouting, abusing randoms on the street. My insistence that life here isn't like it is in Hull often falls on "you what, daft lad?" deaf ears lol To be fair we've had some quite riotous nights out, I do miss the hedonistic energy of party in dear ol' blighty...sometimes. I always miss the humour! My sister getting my very non-British girlfriend to chant "we all 'ate Leeds! we all 'ate Leeds!" in some Berlin irish pub was pretty special :pint2:


My theory is that Britain, due to its restrictive licensing laws, actively encourages a binge-drink culture, which stimulates violent urges and health scares, but also interesting things like pure hedonism, cutting wit and probably has a fair influence on the consistently great and highly-original culture coming out of Britain...much British music, tv/film and writing is enjoyed internationally.

But yeah, pubs have to throw everyone out at 11pm so most down 3 pints in like 20 minutes, as their thought-processes are something like "must drink as much beer as possible before closing time", then they all leave at the same time, masses of drunks high on alcohol wanting to be all King Kong and show the bloke who's staring at them who's boss. Cue the fights. Women aren't immune from this, either!

That, and also that in many northern cities the development of 'alternative' culture is frowned upon. If it's a night out and doesn't involve alcohol (or stimulant drugs), then what the bluddy 'ell you doing, mate? That'll be the social pressure part, along with the classic "don't be a fanny, have another one!". This may seem to contradict how so much great culture comes out of a binge-drinking nation, but I guess the creators of such culture aren't participants themselves, more like active observers.


soz abar the ramble on post like.

I agree there's a massive difference in drink culture between Germany and the UK. Lots more pressure I find to drink and get drunk in the UK than in Germany. My opinion is the German view is that alcohol is just a small part of an enjoyable evening, enjoying company of friends etc, whilst in England the goal of the evening is just to get drunk and anything else is secondary.
 
I remember years ago my mum's friend being an alcoholic. She would have stashes of vodka in strange places, hidden from her husband. Hiding bottles in the washing machine and plant pots. At the time it used to make me laugh (too young to realize) but its all just so sad.
 

i heard on the old wireless last week, that the UK consume 12 million more bottle of wine, per week, than was previously thought! how could you mis-calculate by 12 million! and how many bottles does the UK actually consume per week then? must be a hideous number

Yeah, I remember that. It was something to do with the amount folk admitted to drinking being somewhat less than the amounts actually being sold or something!
 

Lamberts mate ?

Expensive habit that. Quit already
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I lived in Hull during my formative years, drank a hell of a lot, had a local where an 11-to-11 session wasn't uncommon. Drank mostly lager...got into the odd scrap, sometimes got mild shakes in the morning which went away with a swig of cheap whiskey, or a can...all that stuff. All my mates drank too, obviously. Moved to London at 19 and still drank probably 4 cans of lager a day, on me tod, just out of habit (and that familiar warm feeling)...quite a few in pub nights out too. But soon discovered other cultures that weren't about the drink which cut down the consumption a bit. Was still a deffo regular drinker during my London time, tho'.

Moved back to the motherland (Germany) at 27 and since then drinking's all been about the enjoyment....like a good meal. I'll typically just have one high-quality beer in any one full day, or often none at all. Similar with whisky, a single generous glass of Laphroaig once every few weeks. Maybe sharing a decent bottle of wine once every few months. Rarely go out to drink anymore. Also gave up smoking da green stuff after leaving England, but I guess that's another thread. Not that this connoisseur-era has done much good for my health, if anything I'm more susceptible to feeling like shyte than I used to be.


I get visits from friends/family from Hull sometimes, and all they wanna do is get drunk while browsing different bars: binge-drinking, lots of shouting, abusing randoms on the street. My insistence that life here isn't like it is in Hull often falls on "you what, daft lad?" deaf ears lol To be fair we've had some quite riotous nights out, I do miss the hedonistic energy of party in dear ol' blighty...sometimes. I always miss the humour! My sister getting my very non-British girlfriend to chant "we all 'ate Leeds! we all 'ate Leeds!" in some Berlin irish pub was pretty special :pint2:


My theory is that Britain, due to its restrictive licensing laws, actively encourages a binge-drink culture, which stimulates violent urges and health scares, but also interesting things like pure hedonism, cutting wit and probably has a fair influence on the consistently great and highly-original culture coming out of Britain...much British music, tv/film and writing is enjoyed internationally.

But yeah, pubs have to throw everyone out at 11pm so most down 3 pints in like 20 minutes, as their thought-processes are roughly "must drink as much beer as possible before closing time", then they all leave at the same time, masses of drunks high on alcohol wanting to be all King Kong and show the bloke who's staring at them who's boss. Cue the fights. Women aren't immune from this, either!

That, and also that in many northern cities the development of 'alternative' culture is frowned upon. If it's a night out and doesn't involve alcohol (or stimulant drugs), then what the bluddy 'ell you doing, mate? That'll be the social pressure part, along with the classic "don't be a fanny, have another one!". This may seem to contradict how so much great culture comes out of a binge-drinking nation, but I guess the creators of such culture aren't participants themselves, more like active observers.


soz abar the ramble on post like.

I do agree with a lot of what you've said there and you've probably sailed close to the wind too, however things have moved on a lot since you've been in Germany with flexible licensing, which was brought in to try and spread chucking out time and binge drinking. I can't comment about Hull as its years since I've been there, but certainly in Liverpool I think the flexible licensing laws have been generally successful. Admittedly there are parts of town I wouldn't go to at the weekend - Wood Street, but that's down to my age as much as anything. There's areas of Liverpool City centre which culturally I'd put on par with anywhere in Europe for a night out - around Canning Street for example, pavement cafes, pubs as culturally diverse as anywhere, top class restaurants etc. Twenty years ago it wasn't particularly safe to walk around there after dark.
The drinking culture you refer to in the North is everywhere mate, it's just that Northern towns and cities tend to be smaller so it's more obvious.
 

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