2021/22 Alex Iwobi

[ForeverBlue92]

Didn't Moyes cut his teeth there and fail to get promoted?

'Kin fraud, him.

Can't remember tbh mate - likes of Silva, Howe, Farke and Klopps best mate who was at Huddersfield all come up playing fancy football but got licked when they tried playing open togger against the likes of Man City and Chelsea with championship quality players lol

 

[Barnfred 55]

Benitez does well everywhere he goes

Not the typical hipster manager then

 

[Shibbywiggles]

“With the manager, he doesn’t give us any rest, he’s onto us 24/7. This is what we need"

Interesting.

You can see this whole mentality shift. Yes we’ve heard the normal kind of rallying calls from Coleman but you hear the passion that Townsend, Gray and Rondon have in what they’ve said and it’s no wonder Benitez brought them in.

The more I think about it, the more I think Benitez looked at this team with the likes of Richarlison, DCL, Digne, Allan, Doucoure and thought all they needed was direct leadership and a mentality change in the dressing room. Iwobi is technically talented but strikes me as too relaxed to self motivate, get the atmosphere around him right, give him clear instructions and the right leadership and suddenly he seems an effective player!

Carlo managed the likes of Christiano Ronaldo who needs no additional motivation and is solely focused on being the best. Tell him he’s great and he shines on his own… our squad is just not like that.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

You can see this whole mentality shift. Yes we’ve heard the normal kind of rallying calls from Coleman but you hear the passion that Townsend, Gray and Rondon have in what they’ve said and it’s no wonder Benitez brought them in.

The more I think about it, the more I think Benitez looked at this team with the likes of Richarlison, DCL, Digne, Allan, Doucoure and thought all they needed was direct leadership and a mentality change in the dressing room. Iwobi is technically talented but strikes me as too relaxed to self motivate, get the atmosphere around him right, give him clear instructions and the right leadership and suddenly he seems an effective player!

Carlo managed the likes of Christiano Ronaldo who needs no additional motivation and is solely focused on being the best. Tell him he’s great and he shines on his own… our squad is just not like that.

I think the issue is though mate the problem - the attitude problem - was long before Carlo Ancelotti.

That's not just this geek talking on an internet forum, it's what the clubs captain said.

We have players who are openly admitting they need a manager on their case 24/7 to perform.

Reminds me of this fella.

Chelsea man Barkley 'finally getting proper coaching under Sarri'

Ross Barkley attributes his improvement at Chelsea to Maurizio Sarri's coaching, which he hopes will result in an England recall.

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[ForeverBlue92]

You can see this whole mentality shift. Yes we’ve heard the normal kind of rallying calls from Coleman but you hear the passion that Townsend, Gray and Rondon have in what they’ve said and it’s no wonder Benitez brought them in.

The more I think about it, the more I think Benitez looked at this team with the likes of Richarlison, DCL, Digne, Allan, Doucoure and thought all they needed was direct leadership and a mentality change in the dressing room. Iwobi is technically talented but strikes me as too relaxed to self motivate, get the atmosphere around him right, give him clear instructions and the right leadership and suddenly he seems an effective player!

Carlo managed the likes of Christiano Ronaldo who needs no additional motivation and is solely focused on being the best. Tell him he’s great and he shines on his own… our squad is just not like that.

I think unless you are managing world class players and/or a team that can actually compete for titles and trophies you need a drill sergeant type manager to get every ounce out of a squad.

Moyes constantly had us greater than the sum of its parts and is doing the same at WHU, Royle won an FA Cup with dogs of war.

Its why I was relatively happy with Benitez in comparison to the clamour for your Potters of this world - Benitez's management style suits Everton and the current group of players to the ground.

 

[Shibbywiggles]

I think the issue is though mate the problem - the attitude problem - was long before Carlo Ancelotti.

That's not just this geek talking on an internet forum, it's what the clubs captain said.

We have players who are openly admitting they need a manager on their case 24/7 to perform.

Reminds me of this fella.

Chelsea man Barkley 'finally getting proper coaching under Sarri'

Ross Barkley attributes his improvement at Chelsea to Maurizio Sarri's coaching, which he hopes will result in an England recall.

www.standard.co.uk

I completely agree but it’s horses for courses when it comes to managing a team and this is the squad we have right now.
If we’d have had Moyes with these players I 100% believe we’d have finished in a European place last season because we had good players who were not being given clear instructions and micro-management.
Honestly, I didn’t want him, but Benitez set up reminds me of the Moyes days, no passengers, you work for the team or you don’t play.
The players who are ready to down tools, will get dropped and be replaced.
The Moyes days of getting in Europe but never winning a trophy is not the end goal, but I’d take a couple of seasons of laying that foundation and then building now that we have the financial power to do so (once we lose the few players still on too much who don’t contribute)

 

[TheBigIguana]

I think the issue is though mate the problem - the attitude problem - was long before Carlo Ancelotti.

That's not just this geek talking on an internet forum, it's what the clubs captain said.

We have players who are openly admitting they need a manager on their case 24/7 to perform.

Reminds me of this fella.

Chelsea man Barkley 'finally getting proper coaching under Sarri'

Ross Barkley attributes his improvement at Chelsea to Maurizio Sarri's coaching, which he hopes will result in an England recall.

www.standard.co.uk

I don't really get why you're viewing this as such a negative. The best teams have managers who are obsessive about every single thing their players do. Pep isn't letting off guys ever and it matters. Iwobi worked under Wenger, albeit at the end, and I bet it was closer to Rafael than what he got under Silva and Carlo. We should want this.

 

[Shibbywiggles]

I think unless you are managing world class players and/or a team that can actually compete for titles and trophies you need a drill sergeant type manager to get every ounce out of a squad.

Moyes constantly had us greater than the sum of its parts and is doing the same at WHU, Royle won an FA Cup with dogs of war.

Its why I was relatively happy with Benitez in comparison to the clamour for your Potters of this world - Benitez's management style suits Everton and the current group of players to the ground.

I just read what you said after posting mine and I think we’re seeing similar.
Honestly I thought Benitez would have us playing horrible football so I didn’t want him but clearly what he did at Newcastle actually was down to the players available rather than a style preference.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

I don't really get why you're viewing this as such a negative. The best teams have managers who are obsessive about every single thing their players do. Pep isn't letting off guys ever and it matters. Iwobi worked under Wenger, albeit at the end, and I bet it was closer to Rafael than what he got under Silva and Carlo. We should want this.

This is a thread about Iwobi.

It's about Iwobi's comment. A comment where he said he/his teammates need a manager who is on at them 24/7.

That reflects worse on Iwobi than any manager - current or present.

It's indicative of a big problem with a core of these players that the clubs captain, and previous managers has said.

Seamus Coleman: “I think it was down to [the fact] they wanted it more, which I think is the biggest embarrassment for players, that’s it’s possible the other team wanted it more than you. As individuals in the dressing room and as a Club, we need to be expecting better. We need to have a look at ourselves. Every time we go out and play for this Football Club, it’s got to mean something and – at Tottenham [a 1-0 defeat on Monday] and here today – it didn’t look that way. Sometimes you can look at the ins and outs of tactics or why we didn’t get the ball to the attacking players but sometimes it comes down to commitment and desire and wanting it more than the opposition. The lads really need to dig in, myself included, get our heads down or that won’t be good enough for this manager. There are no hiding places. Around the place we need more commitment on a daily basis. We can’t keep hiding behind managers. We’ve hid behind managers long enough”

The players who need their manager on at them 24/7, to get commitment/something out of them - who hide behind and blame managers need shifting.

Once the new manager novelty wears off, they'll do the same to Benitez. Hopefully he can shift them/bring in more to address the balance.

 

[TheBigIguana]

This is a thread about Iwobi.

It's about Iwobi's comment. A comment where he said he/his teammates need a manager who is on at them 24/7.

That reflects worse on Iwobi than any manager - current or present.

It's indicative of a big problem with a core of these players that the clubs captain, and previous managers has said.



The players who need their manager on at them 24/7, to get commitment/something out of them - who hide behind and blame managers need shifting.

Once the new manager novelty wears off, they'll do the same to Benitez. Hopefully he can shift them/bring in more to address the balance.

Sounds to me like he wants a manager who is willing to do his job at the level the top managers do. I'm failing to see a problem with that.

By all means post that Coleman quote more, but I've stopped really buying in to the club produced media because the message is clearly very controlled and PR driven. I mean does every player really come in thinking "eh this is a massive club I joined it's such a privilege?" Not buying it. It's the same with talking about Europe at the start of the season or needing to pick it up after bad results. Same thing year in, year out.

 

[BlueToff]

Hope he carries on playing well

 

[Bedfordblue]

Still confused what his favourite position is…

"I think, for Everton, my best position for the team is probably out wide.
"For my national team, it's completely different and I do like playing in the midfield as a number 8 or number 10.

'Rafa Eats, Sleeps And Breathes Football - It Rubs Off On Us'

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[TheBigIguana]

Still confused what his favourite position is…

"I think, for Everton, my best position for the team is probably out wide.
"For my national team, it's completely different and I do like playing in the midfield as a number 8 or number 10.

'Rafa Eats, Sleeps And Breathes Football - It Rubs Off On Us'

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If we played a three man midfield he'd probably rather be a part of that than playing a winger role that is essentially a forward. How we're playing now he doesn't fit in the middle.

 

[Egil Olsen]

If we played a three man midfield he'd probably rather be a part of that than playing a winger role that is essentially a forward. How we're playing now he doesn't fit in the middle.

Yes, correct. Could have been interesting to see Iwobi in a 4-5-1 formation as No. 10. I think he could have been a useful player there.

 

[4737carlin]

Really good first half