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Alisher Usmanov

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Jags..class said:
Bilic was saying in an interview that they can't compete with chelsea and also said maybe not even compete with Everton. Thought it was a strange thing to say.
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"Maybe" and I don't know If people know I would say moshri on a personnel wealth has far more than the two clowns who run west ham. But with they're free new stadium and full houses they will make more income than us even if they didn't already.
 
matty1878 said:
"Maybe" and I don't know If people know I would say moshri on a personnel wealth has far more than the two clowns who run west ham. But with they're free new stadium and full houses they will make more income than us even if they didn't already.
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Combined on known figures they equal moshiri roughly, ofc Moshiris wealth has a lot of guesswork attached to it
 
It's been said before that Kroenke won't buy out Usmanov because he doesn't want competition with Usmanov spending big at another club. if that's the case surely he'd be doing all he could to keep Usmanov happy at Arsenal and not freezing him out. Couldn't Usmanov just take a loss on the shares and literally give them away? Or is he required to sell to Kroenke?
 

matty1878 said:
It's guessing games mate but I would say moshri has more wealth to go about then them personally anyway. Now he's our biggest shareholder tho wonder how long itl last lol
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Moshiri won't be risking any of his welath mate, accountants don't become billionaires by risking there own money, they do it by managing and pointing out investment opportunities for others - and thats how he made his dosh, we will be no different, Usmanov will come along on board one day
 
bluestevon said:
Moshiri won't be risking any of his welath mate, accountants don't become billionaires by risking there own money, they do it by managing and pointing out investment opportunities for others - and thats how he made his dosh, we will be no different, Usmanov will come along on board one day
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After the arguments including my own mate why do you think usmanov will? and one day... Is that when we're making money so he sees it as an opportunity? Not that he needs the money btw
 
ncblue said:
It's been said before that Kroenke won't buy out Usmanov because he doesn't want competition with Usmanov spending big at another club. if that's the case surely he'd be doing all he could to keep Usmanov happy at Arsenal and not freezing him out. Couldn't Usmanov just take a loss on the shares and literally give them away? Or is he required to sell to Kroenke?
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Given that at any point in the past 5 years Usmanov could have turned around and sold his stake in R&W holding s to Moshiri the way they did the other way around, that reason for not buying Usmanovs shares doesn't stand up, he could have done absolutely nothign about Usmanov leaving to invest in anpother company whatsoever for years.

Thus he actually is not concerend about him leaving Arsenal
 
bluestevon said:
Esk is a businessman mate and as such i honestly think he is looking at it through that prism, and ignoring several huge factors in the entire scenario, in a way thinking about how he would feel in Moshiri's shoes etc and why it makes sense to him that he would decide to strike out alone and make his own mark - without always being tagged as the junior partner in the dealings like he always has been with Usmanov.

But thats ignoring the fact some people are far more comfortable in that role, and a hugely succesful accountant 'fixer' who to all appearances does not seem comfortable in or to desire ANY of the notariety or spotlight that he finds himself in - would be a strange choice to suddenly strike out on his own at his age. Both have talked about it being their joint dream to won a club, under the current scenario that Esk favours we are to believe it is more likely that one fo those has given up his dream (Usmanov) to allow the other to fulfill his, i think the situation is more likely to be that they are stil pursuing that shared wish and atm we are at phase 1 of a several phase leaving of Arsenal and full control of Everton.

Especially when given the fact that esk has siggested that Moshiri will bring other investors on board, yet rules out the most obvious one - and one he can 100% trust to fulfill any promise made to him in Usmanov, just seems illogical
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This is absolutely spot on and should be read across the board for all ITK guys. I am always surprised by the amount of stick he gets, he probably brushes it off but I don't find it massively pleasant or necessary. There seems to be two extremes with ITK, those who will uncritically soak up the information and those who will then berate them. Often they are the same person, just before and after.

As with most things, most people you meet give you a snapshot of information. That is often channelled and refracted through their own personalities and experiences. That doesn't mean people are lying, but most information particularly with football is fluid, ever changing and subject to people's competing interpretations. People should see it as a portrait of a face. It's not wrong it's just an impression and different artists would paint it slightly differently.

It's clear that Esk feels Usmanov doesn't want to be involved. He also knows far more than me. I suppose I just don't agree with him on it, I have a different take on the evidence. He gives his viewpoint, which is more researched than my own, but neither are right or wrong.

I agree with you too, I wouldn't be surprised if Usmanov was looking to make the switch. Building a 4th dynasty in North West England as what would be the football capital of the world is a unique story and ties in with the comments made by the Russian guy at the start of the season.
 

matty1878 said:
After the arguments including my own mate why do you think usmanov will? and one day... Is that when we're making money so he sees it as an opportunity? Not that he needs the money btw
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They both had the same dream about owning a club togetehr mate, theres even a letter out there that they co-signed which shows what there vision is etc, and as such one doign it without the other beign there - it doesn't sit roght
A business relationship that has made them both vastly wealthy - the effect on Usmanovs wealth from Moshiri is huge btw - hence the gift of making him a billionaire by usmanov in return - people who have worked 30 years togetehr with thos eresults - suddenly going off alone at 60 odd years of age - similarly doesn't sit right
Usmanov is cock blocked at Arsenal with 0% chance of ever gaining control, Moshiri is the man with the plan (looking at the way investments turned out between them both etc) as such makes perfect sense with the person who is more tha 'thinker' to go lead the way to the buyout, also as a public face dealing with kenwright - he is a better fit than a oligarch, 'right character duff can be spouted by kenwright etc' - Usmanov as you'd expect has a much shadier past
Public expectation - Usmanov takes over we expect everythign day 1 - to be competing with city instantly etc, Moshiri coming gives them room to grow us for a year or two, get things in place - new stadium approval and location - etc etc etc
Money - Moshir and Usmanov - Usmanov is doing the buying - of club, of dockside land etc - the price goes up a LOT

There just off the top of my head mate, will probably do a counter piece to the esks reasons it wont happen over the next couple of days when i have the time to sit and write for a bit uninterrupted
 
catcherintherye said:
This is absolutely spot on and should be read across the board for all ITK guys. I am always surprised by the amount of stick he gets, he probably brushes it off but I don't find it massively pleasant or necessary. There seems to be two extremes with ITK, those who will uncritically soak up the information and those who will then berate them. Often they are the same person, just before and after.

As with most things, most people you meet give you a snapshot of information. That is often channelled and refracted through their own personalities and experiences. That doesn't mean people are lying, but most information particularly with football is fluid, ever changing and subject to people's competing interpretations. People should see it as a portrait of a face. It's not wrong it's just an impression and different artists would paint it slightly differently.

It's clear that Esk feels Usmanov doesn't want to be involved. He also knows far more than me. I suppose I just don't agree with him on it, I have a different take on the evidence. He gives his viewpoint, which is more researched than my own, but neither are right or wrong.

I agree with you too, I wouldn't be surprised if Usmanov was looking to make the switch. Building a 4th dynasty in North West England as what would be the football capital of the world is a unique story and ties in with the comments made by the Russian guy at the start of the season.
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Good post mate.
 
bluestevon said:
They both had the same dream about owning a club togetehr mate, theres even a letter out there that they co-signed which shows what there vision is etc, and as such one doign it without the other beign there - it doesn't sit roght
A business relationship that has made them both vastly wealthy - the effect on Usmanovs wealth from Moshiri is huge btw - hence the gift of making him a billionaire by usmanov in return - people who have worked 30 years togetehr with thos eresults - suddenly going off alone at 60 odd years of age - similarly doesn't sit right
Usmanov is cock blocked at Arsenal with 0% chance of ever gaining control, Moshiri is the man with the plan (looking at the way investments turned out between them both etc) as such makes perfect sense with the person who is more tha 'thinker' to go lead the way to the buyout, also as a public face dealing with kenwright - he is a better fit than a oligarch, 'right character duff can be spouted by kenwright etc' - Usmanov as you'd expect has a much shadier past
Public expectation - Usmanov takes over we expect everythign day 1 - to be competing with city instantly etc, Moshiri coming gives them room to grow us for a year or two, get things in place - new stadium approval and location - etc etc etc
Money - Moshir and Usmanov - Usmanov is doing the buying - of club, of dockside land etc - the price goes up a LOT

There just off the top of my head mate, will probably do a counter piece to the esks reasons it wont happen over the next couple of days when i have the time to sit and write for a bit uninterrupted
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Business relationship - they still have one, just not with Everton. I've got bezzies I do plenty with but I might not invite them to share my toilet time, for example

"blocked at Arsenal" - or biding his time? Either way, it's still and incredibly safe investment, not like he is locked in to a long term losing position.

'Right character only' - Bill Kenwright has been quoted as describing Philip Green as a 'friend of Everton'. I'm not sure he's too bothered mate. If he'd been able to sell to the DIC and keep his chairman role he would have, and they are every bit as a sinister and ruthless as Usmanov.

Public expectation and prices going up - what do you think happened when £100m warchest tosh was circulated? And come on. Moshiri is a billionaire too. The price got marked up for him too. I have to say, if I knew Usmanov and his associates were involved, I'd be rather keen to charge a fair price, lest I got a visit from some rather less friendly negotiators. Let's be honest, I don't think expectations have been managed well at all so far - you've only got to see the mayhem yesterday's tweet caused for what turned out to be a 3rd shirt and pub quiz.

There's no reason at all for Usmanov to join us and to do so would be more complicated than he probably feels it is worth.
 

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