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Alisher Usmanov

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I'm still not clear on why a pure profit-motive is not being countenanced.

I'll make some assumptions that seem reasonable:
1) The Premier League continues to grow worldwide
2) Arsenal continues to be a highly covered/marketed/followed club
3) Prem teams in general grow in valuation
4) Arsenal do not get relegated
5) Kroenke does not care about trophies
6) Arsenal make enough money from sponsorships/commercial to maintain regular competition for European spots

Why would someone who loves money not desire more shares in that situation?
 
I popped a similar reply earlier in the thread to this. For all I know Esk could be Usmanov or Moshiri's right hand man however I think people do need to take his, and anybody's else information with a pinch of salt. I am not really sure what people get from trying to get him to reveal sources. It's patently obvious he couldn't do this, and even if he could if he did that person(s) would never be able to reveal information again.

The other important point I would make is that Esk gives his take on information presented. Nobody can ever be truly objective. As I said earlier in the thread, rather than view his information of a photograph I would view it more as a portrait. A portrait isn't "right" or "wrong" but more of an interpretation of the information.

I'm not really sure I understand the increasing desire on the forum to get him to have to justify everything he puts. He passes on information he has at a particular moment. Even if it doesn't come off, it has value and it is interesting. It's interesting to know we were close to Witsel, it shows Koeman wants a leading Central Midfielder. It shows us that we may not be as attractive proposition as we thought. That players or agents may use us. That some may agree verbally but get last minute jitters. That we can get a deal quite close to being done. All of this is invaluable and interesting information, even if it doesn't give everyone what we all ultimately want (players in Everton shirts).
However it is useful to see trends and aspirations that arise from the information, whether we are successful or not.

I see no reason why Esk or anyone else should have to justify themselves, their sources or how they acquire information. We live in a free country and if people don't appreciate the information he gives then can choose not to read it, discard it or at a push pop him on ignore.

While your posts are not abusive or out of order they are asking him to do something that you probably know he can't. He can't give the source of information away. So the end result is either he stops providing information or he provides it and people accept it's a snapshot of where things stand at the moment he's told and the situation moves on.

I have to say I think it would be a great shame if he took the former option. I think most viewers of the forum would agree with me. I don't doubt there are some posters who find it frustrating but I do think they are in a minority. I also think there are a number of functions available in order to ignore a poster if there posts cause annoyance. Lets not kid ourselves though, people who have reliable information cannot go broadcasting it over the internet and it is an unfair request for them to do so.

Appreciative of the reply.

Surely if @The Esk is able to proclaim speculation as unjustified fact, its feasible to question the integrity of the post.
Someone who had no knowledge on Moshiri, now is privy to his and Usmanov's plans.

I accept taking things as a pinch of salt helps, but speculating and compounding a fanbase to clamber over his words is not a respectable thing to do.

Nothing the esk has said is fact, yet by elevating his position he portrays it as such. Moreover anyhting that is questionable to his mindset is shotdown. The irony is compelling, but I guess thats how it works.
 
Appreciative of the reply.

Surely if @The Esk is able to proclaim speculation as unjustified fact, its feasible to question the integrity of the post.
Someone who had no knowledge on Moshiri, now is privy to his and Usmanov's plans.

I accept taking things as a pinch of salt helps, but speculating and compounding a fanbase to clamber over his words is not a respectable thing to do.

Nothing the esk has said is fact, yet by elevating his position he portrays it as such. Moreover anyhting that is questionable to his mindset is shotdown. The irony is compelling, but I guess thats how it works.

Of course thats how it works.

Its called having conviction in your viewpoint.

Just like the conviction you and others are showing in trying to "highlight" how "evil" and "untrustworthy" Esk is.
 

Usmanov had the option to sell to Kroenke in 2011 during the takeover but refused to do so, hence him now having a large minority position with no influence.

Thanks that explains a lot, especially my question about just accepting the fact that he was getting stuck holding a large, illiquid stake. If he turned down the chance to sell to Kroenke when the takeover happened then clearly he is okay with that.
 
My take On it, esk is too fervent on it not happening from someone with no inside knowledge on the matter, also ignoring anything but the pure business dynamic if the matter is ignoring all of the personal history and friendship between the two men.

Very narrow view of a very broad matter in my opinion.

When you think about it mate, you could easily argue that a lot of Everton fans are too fervent on it actually happening.

Usmanov has repeated time and again that he has no interest in selling, but each time this gets re-iterated, Everton fans refuse to accept it. Is that not a narrow, one-track take on the situation?

The whole thing is based on conjecture, i.e. that Moshiri has worked with Usmanov on previous projects and is unhappy with his lack of control at Arsenal.

If this is true, why would Usmanov (not Moshiri) not lead the initial acquisition? Surely Usmanov at the helm from the outset would attract the highest calibre of manager/player and therefore this would make the overhaul of the team quicker and easier? Why put Moshiri out front and leave Usmanov the tough sale of the Arsenal shares?
 
Of course thats how it works.

Its called having conviction in your viewpoint.

Just like the conviction you and others are showing in trying to "highlight" how "evil" and "untrustworthy" Esk is.


There's conviction
Then there is condescending conviction

I am merely asking a question, conviction would be answering it.
Surely thats a logical thing to do - think its called burden of truth.
Make a claim, back it up.
 
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When you think about it mate, you could easily argue that a lot of Everton fans are too fervent on it happening and also having a very broad view.

Usmanov has repeated time and again that he has no interest in selling, but each time this gets re-iterated Everton fans refuse to accept. Is that not a narrow, one-track take on the situation?

The whole thing is based on conjecture, that Moshiri has worked with Usmanov on previous projects. As the Esk pointed out previously, why would Usmanov not lead the initial acquisition, if this was all his master plan, with Moshiri to follow once a purchaser for the Arsenal shares has been sourced? Surely Usmanov at the helm would attract the highest calibre of manager/player and therefore this would make the overhaul of the team quicker and easier? Why put Moshiri out front?

You mean the same Usmanov that was painted as an evil rapist war criminal when he was first involved with Arsenal?

Yeah, maybe he wanted to avoid that.
 

You mean the same Usmanov that was painted as an evil rapist war criminal when he was first involved with Arsenal?

Yeah, maybe he wanted to avoid that.

Does he not get tarred with that brush if he slips in through the back door and invests hundreds of millions then?

Come on, he's all about the business. If he thought that his new club would thrive quicker with him taking over and Moshiri joining in later, rather than vice versa, then he would proceed on that basis regardless of what names he might get called.
 
Does he not get tarred with that brush if he slips in through the back door and invests hundreds of millions then?

Come on, he's all about the business. If he thought that his new club would thrive quicker with him taking over and Moshiri joining in later, rather than vice versa, then he would proceed on that basis regardless of what names he might get called.

Maybe he wanted to be the 1 that shafted Kroenke in some way before he left.

You know like leaving the tap on or a floodlight?

Anyway, everybody is firmly entrenched in their opinion at this point, im sure this will rumble on for a while yet.
 

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